Help! Sonera Internet cable installation

[luckykitty]

Hi I got this MSG:

Hyvä asiakkaamme, laajakaistasi asennetaan 19.07.2013 08:00 - 20:00. Kytke modeemi ennen toimituspäivää puhelinpistokkeeseen ja kytke virta. Ilmoitamme laajakaistan avauksesta erillisellä viestillä. Mikäli laajakaistasi ei tämän jälkeen toimi, ota yhteyttä 020017000. T.Sonera

Except I don't have a modem. They don't even state that online that I needed a modem cos I thought it was just fibre optic and I can plug it straight to my computer

What should I do and what do I need to get to install this before they begin their work?

Thanks,
LK

[007]

Hi I got this MSG:

Hyvä asiakkaamme, laajakaistasi asennetaan 19.07.2013 08:00 - 20:00. Kytke modeemi ennen toimituspäivää puhelinpistokkeeseen ja kytke virta. Ilmoitamme laajakaistan avauksesta erillisellä viestillä. Mikäli laajakaistasi ei tämän jälkeen toimi, ota yhteyttä 020017000. T.Sonera

Except I don't have a modem. They don't even state that online that I needed a modem cos I thought it was just fibre optic and I can plug it straight to my computer

What should I do and what do I need to get to install this before they begin their work?

Thanks,
LK

modeemi or router? check if you have ethernet socket already in the wall at your apartment. if it has, you can most probably connect ethernet cable from your computer to that socket and it should work, because your computer should already have a modem inside. if you don't have ethernet socket, just phone socket in the wall, then you will need a router .

difference in appearance between phone socket and ethernet socket

[Adrian42]

modeemi or router? check if you have ethernet socket already in the wall at your apartment. if it has, you can most probably connect ethernet cable from your computer to that socket and it should work, because your computer should already have a modem inside.

Computers rarely have modems, but they often have an ethernet port.

And that's what's needed in the case of an ethernet port connected directly to a wall socket.

if you don't have ethernet socket, just phone socket in the wall, then you will need a router

This also has router functionality, but mainly that is actually a modem.
More exactly it is a DSL modem.


A third option would be internet over the cable network, which would require a cable modem (that's completely different from a DSL modem).


Sonera should be able to tell how exactly they are providing the internet connection in the apartment in question, and what is required for using it.

[Upphew]

So much confusing information. Topic mentions cable, and usually you'll get the cable modem from them (I did). Then the 1st post mentions "modeemi puhelinpistokkeeseen", modem to phone socket, and that smells a lot like some kind dsl. Then there is the chance that you have proper cabling and fiber to the premises and you'll get to plug the computer straight to the wall without modems. Though you might need router/switch/piece of cable to make the signal from breaker box to the room/socket where it is needed...

Care to divulge what you ordered?

[Jukka Aho]

I think the situation is best sorted out by implementing RFC 1149.

[luckykitty]

Hey yea I checked it is just a phone socket in the wall so it's dsl? But in Finnish it said kaapeli or cable? Well I'll go ask Sonera.

I have a wippies router and that has the ethernet port I think so could I use that?
My friend has a converter for the phone socket into some regular LAN socket, would that work to plug into or does it still need to connect to a router ?

[tista]

It is probably same system as mine. You need a phone to DSL adapter (which you said you have) and also a modem. You plug RJ11 cable one end in DSL adapter, the other end in modem(your router might also have modem function). After that you plug RJ45 cable one end in modem LAN port, the other end in your computer/laptop LAN port. If internet is already available, your computer will connect to internet immediately. Otherwise you will need to connect to modem via your computer and register your Sonera details.

RJ11 and RJ45 cables:
http://gurau-audibert.hd.free.fr/josdbl ... 11RJ45.jpg

[Upphew]

Hey yea I checked it is just a phone socket in the wall so it's dsl? But in Finnish it said kaapeli or cable? Well I'll go ask Sonera.

I have a wippies router and that has the ethernet port I think so could I use that?
My friend has a converter for the phone socket into some regular LAN socket, would that work to plug into or does it still need to connect to a router ?

ADSL comes from phone socket and needs modem.
Cable comes from cable socket and needs modem.
Wippies homebox has 4 ethernet ports... and dsl port. So it is a dsl modem.

[luckykitty]

Hey thanks Upphew! So I can use my wippies box, Wippie!

[luckykitty]

The sonera man said he needed to come into the apartment to check something, but he was speaking finnish, but i didnt really understand what he was gonna check, since i know its a phone line (the round thing), but i assume they are installing that on the same day? he said he was doing it next monday

[007]

modeemi or router? check if you have ethernet socket already in the wall at your apartment. if it has, you can most probably connect ethernet cable from your computer to that socket and it should work, because your computer should already have a modem inside.

Computers rarely have modems, but they often have an ethernet port.

And that's what's needed in the case of an ethernet port connected directly to a wall socket.

I am bit lost here. I always thought computers (desktop ones) have modem inside them. I also assumed laptops had them....but in my new laptop, there's only ethernet port, but in my old thinkpad t41 there's phone port also!? in my country, back then I just attached phone line to that phone port in the computer (desktop), and it worked! of course, net speed was 54 kbps something only.

another one from experience is that.... at a student apartment in Finland, there was ethernet port in wall, i just attached ethernet cable between there and my old thinkpad t41. it worked! no hassles.

if you don't have ethernet socket, just phone socket in the wall, then you will need a router

This also has router functionality, but mainly that is actually a modem.
More exactly it is a DSL modem.

now i have a modem, which i thought was a router, perhaps has both functionality........ see as i thought modems can be fitted inside the computers, i mistook that box (modem/router) as a router only...

might it be that there's internal and external modems? well.. think i will google that myself

[Adrian42]

modeemi or router? check if you have ethernet socket already in the wall at your apartment. if it has, you can most probably connect ethernet cable from your computer to that socket and it should work, because your computer should already have a modem inside.

Computers rarely have modems, but they often have an ethernet port.

And that's what's needed in the case of an ethernet port connected directly to a wall socket.

I am bit lost here. I always thought computers (desktop ones) have modem inside them. I also assumed laptops had them....but in my new laptop, there's only ethernet port, but in my old thinkpad t41 there's phone port also!? in my country, back then I just attached phone line to that phone port in the computer (desktop), and it worked! of course, net speed was 54 kbps something only.

If there was an ISDN or DSL card in the desktop computer that sounds normal.
Some laptops also have such ports built-in.
It's just like e.g. for TV, where you can also have the DVB transceiver either as an external USB device or as a card or built-in in your device.

another one from experience is that.... at a student apartment in Finland, there was ethernet port in wall, i just attached ethernet cable between there and my old thinkpad t41. it worked! no hassles.

That works when you have an ethernet connection directly to your apartment.

[jahasjahas]

I am bit lost here. I always thought computers (desktop ones) have modem inside them. I also assumed laptops had them....but in my new laptop, there's only ethernet port, but in my old thinkpad t41 there's phone port also!? in my country, back then I just attached phone line to that phone port in the computer (desktop), and it worked! of course, net speed was 54 kbps something only.

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now i have a modem, which i thought was a router, perhaps has both functionality........ see as i thought modems can be fitted inside the computers, i mistook that box (modem/router) as a router only...

might it be that there's internal and external modems? well.. think i will google that myself

Internal modems used to be a thing back in the dial-up days, but they're pretty rare nowadays. External ones are easier to set up, and you can get all your devices online at the same time, which wasn't an issue when everyone owned just one computer and didn't use the Internet all the time.

[Jukka Aho]

I am bit lost here. I always thought computers (desktop ones) have modem inside them.

Internal modems used to be a thing back in the dial-up days, but they're pretty rare nowadays. External ones are easier to set up, and you can get all your devices online at the same time, which wasn't an issue when everyone owned just one computer and didn't use the Internet all the time.

There’s also a decided difference between an old-fashioned dial-up modem (whose signaling is wholly contained within the voice channel of a regular landline telephone call and thus routable in the telephone network from point to point and subscriber to a subscriber just like any call; simply by dialing a number) and an ADSL modem (whose signaling lives on bands/frequencies not used for voice communications and which only [ab]uses the traditional telephone wires for carrying the data over the first leg to the nearest exchange/DSLAM.)

As for desktop computers, internal dial-up modems used to be a thing back in the day but you only got one if you specifically wanted to buy one and paid extra for it. They were add-on ISA or PCI cards installed inside the PC case.

There were/are internal DSL modems, too, but they never got too popular. People usually tend to buy the stand-alone models, and for a good reason, as they’re multi-function devices with an integrated router/firewall/switch, capable of sharing the connection to multiple computers/devices — much more useful than an internal card tying the DSL connection to a single computer only.

In the interim phase between transitioning from dial-up/POTS modems to DSL modems there were also internal ISDN cards for computers, as well as stand-alone ISDN routers, but ISDN was only a brief blip on the radar in Finland. A case of “too little, too late”, I guess, as the old dial-up modems were good enough for most people and ADSL soon came along and provided considerably higher speeds. (I hear ISDN was/is much more popular in Germany where many upgraded their analog phones/faxes/modems to the ISDN counterparts before DSL and cellphones got more popular and rendered the fixed landline telephone network sort of obsolete for both voice and data. Finnish subscribers, however, never warmed up to ISDN all that much.)