need help for some info about after marriage !

Ebi-sha · Post by **Ebi-sha** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 11:48 am

Hi everyone ,
I just go straight to the problem .
I used to live in Turkey when my girlfriend came from Finland , then we married in turkey

, then she returned to Finland again and also me !
I came back to my country to0 (Iran) .
she called to Honkajoki or Kankaanpää Maistraatti and they said you need an apostle paper for marriage ! and when she went there she showed our marriage book which has everything on it like our pics , names , addresses , our father 'n mother names and .... . then they said yeaaah that's ok and enough ,but you have to go to the Pori Maistraatti !!!
then she went there and they said "NO" we need that apostle paper !

I wanted to know that FIRST : they can not do anything without marriage apostle paper !!? coz I'm not in Turkey now :/ and we want to be together as soon as possible !
the apostle paper they said is like our marriage book , but more smaller ! I don't know how it's look like ! if anyone has can send the picture of it ? kiitos

and SECOND : Can I go myself to the Finland embassy in my country and explain them my situation ? and Are they gonna do something for me in their embassy ?

I really need all of ur information coz maybe I go to Turkey again and I dont want to miss something else !!!

Kiitos paljion ,
thanX for helping

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Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:10 pm

I wanted to know that FIRST : they can not do anything without marriage apostle paper

Yes, you should have wanted to know this first before you got married.

Can I go myself to the Finland embassy in my country and explain them my situation ?

What would the Finnish embassy in Iran be interested in a marriage in Turkey?

and Are they gonna do something for me in their embassy ?

Point finger and laugh?

The Turkish embassy in Helsinki might be able to provide an apostille that the document is valid - can't find the service on their pages but calling they will tell the exact procedure. What you should have gotten is the local Valiligi in the town in Turkey where you got married to issue the apostille, and then maybe even go register the marriage at the Finnish embassy in Ankara.

and we want

to next time find out what papers are needed to do things before we do them?

CH · Post by CH » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:14 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille_Convention
http://hcch.e-vision.nl/index_en.php?ac ... ies&cid=41
http://www.maistraatti.fi/en/Services/n ... Apostille/

An apostille is an international certification that the paper you have is indeed valid in the country where it was issued, in this case of marriage, so that the authorities in another country will know that the document you bring is what you claim it is. For documents issued in Finland you would go to the Notary Public at a Maistraatti to get an apostille (if the country the document is going to be used in doesn't belong to the Apostille Convention it needs to be further certified by the Foreign Ministry).

It might sound complicated, but otherwise you can show whatever piece of paper here claiming that it is a marriage certificate from Turkey, and the authorities here have no way of knowing if it is or not. The Turkish embassy may (or may not) provide an apostille for your marriage document, otherwise you need to get it from Turkey from whatever the appropriate authority would be there (I assume you wouldn't have to go there personally, just send the document).

Edit: This is the "Who can make an apostille" entry for Turkey: http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=au ... ls&aid=350

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:36 pm

Ebi-sha wrote: I wanted to know that FIRST : they can not do anything without marriage apostle paper !!? coz I'm not in Turkey now :/ and we want to be together as soon as possible !

Well, why did you not think about in advance? "You" in plural, including very much also your wife who (presumably as a native) had even less of an excuse for not checking the rules in time.

the apostle paper they said is like our marriage book , but more smaller ! I don't know how it's look like ! if anyone has can send the picture of it ?

It ('Apostille') is a piece of paper attached to the original document attesting that attached document has been issued by the specified authority. Regarding Turkey you get them for you marriage certificate from:
http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=au ... ls&aid=350
(I think a marriage certificate is considered an 'administrative document')

and SECOND : Can I go myself to the Finland embassy in my country and explain them my situation ? and Are they gonna do something for me in their embassy ?

No, I don't see what they could do. It would not be the business of the Finnish embassy even in Turkey to give an apostille to a Turkish document.

I really need all of ur information coz maybe I go to Turkey again and I dont want to miss something else !!!

You need the marriage certificate and then to find the correct national authority (see above) in Turkey.

If need to go near Ankara, as an alternative to submitting the certificate & apostille to the maistraatti in Finland, you can submit them also in the Finnish embassy. They'd perhaps have a quick look at it to see you got the right stamp before sending it to Finland.

In Finnish:

Rekisteröinnin voi tehdä joko Suomen suurlähetystön kautta tai suoraan kotikunnan maistraattiin. Rekisteröinti on maksuton. Kukin maistraatti päättää itsenäisesti mahdollisten käännösten vaatimisesta. Rekisteröintiä varten vaaditaan avioliittotodistus, jossa Turkin viranomaisen antama apostille-todistus, jonka antaa alueen toimivaltainen maaherran virasto sekä aviopuolisoiden henkilöllisyystodistusten kopiot.

http://www.finland.org.tr/public/defaul ... Avioliitto
(Copy of ID of both spouses also required for registration)

Pursuivant · Post by **Pursuivant** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:00 pm

Its always as a thumb rule wisest to take the route 1) the local official for the apostille and then 2) the local Finnish embassy if there is one - as they know what paper they want and can tell where to get it. Otherwise 3) the Nowheremäki maistraatti is going to give grief - add to that they want translations etc. while the local embassy should be able to read the stuff (another few hundred saved when you need to find an official interpreter)

Ebi-sha · Post by **Ebi-sha** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:02 pm

Pursuivant wrote:
I wanted to know that FIRST : they can not do anything without marriage apostle paper

Yes, you should have wanted to know this first before you got married.[/quote]

Can I go myself to the Finland embassy in my country and explain them my situation ?

What would the Finnish embassy in Iran be interested in a marriage in Turkey? [/quote]

and Are they gonna do something for me in their embassy ?

Point finger and laugh?

The Turkish embassy in Helsinki might be able to provide an apostille that the document is valid - can't find the service on their pages but calling they will tell the exact procedure. What you should have gotten is the local Valiligi in the town in Turkey where you got married to issue the apostille, and then maybe even go register the marriage at the Finnish embassy in Ankara.

and we want

to next time find out what papers are needed to do things before we do them?[/quote]

Ebi-sha · Post by **Ebi-sha** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:08 pm

ThanQ everyone ,
As I find out by ur helps the things that I have to do are :
First : going to a place " valiligi " and get a paper which is called apostle ,
then : I have to bring it to the Finland embassy to validate that paper 'n punch it to my orginal marriage bo0k !
after that : I send it again to my wife to Finland to start the process .... .

Is it right ?

And I have to have a copy of our ID card to0, passport I mean .

Ebi-sha · Post by **Ebi-sha** » Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:33 pm

ThanQ everyone
As I understand I have to do this things :

1) going to a place "valiligi" and take a paper which is called apostle ,

2)translate it to0 English If it was in turkey , then bring it too Finland embassy to validate and punch it to my original marriage book ,

(is it necessary to be translated in English if it was in Turkish ??? Coz I'm gonna bring in to Ankara , where the Finnish embassy is )

3)send all documents to my wife ,

"and Also I have to have a copy of our ID cards too "

finished then ?

but I don't think so that I can do It with post , I mean when you are there physically they don't listen to you ! let alone doing that by post !!

And can anyone explain that how it works ? http://www.hcch.net/index_en.php?act=au ... ls&aid=350

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:48 am

Ebi-sha wrote:ThanQ everyone
As I understand I have to do this things :

1) going to a place "valiligi" and take a paper which is called apostle ,

2)translate it to0 English If it was in turkey , then bring it too Finland embassy to validate and punch it to my original marriage book ,

(is it necessary to be translated in English if it was in Turkish ??? Coz I'm gonna bring in to Ankara , where the Finnish embassy is )

3)send all documents to my wife ,

Uh, no.
A) It is "apostille": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostille
(No need to exhume a grave or break a reliquary)

B) It is a certification that the attached document is authentic. It would of course certify nothing if you could attach it to any document that pleases you. You take your original marriage certificate to that local administrative office and there they will write and attach the apostille slip to it. The apostille itself does not need to be translated (your first post indicated you had no problem with the original marriage certificate as such, but if it was not also in English, I'd get an official translation of it first)

After that, the document can be submitted either at Finnish maistraatti in Finland or Finnish embassy in Turkey. I'd recommend using the embassy. Copies of ID's (passports) of both you will be needed.

justaguy · Post by **justaguy** » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:24 am

As rip said. You need one of these:

(The big red stamp)

Not one of these:

Sorry I couldn't resist.

gfunho · Post by **gfunho** » Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:40 am

Pursuivant wrote: The Turkish embassy in Helsinki might be able to provide an apostille that the document is valid - can't find the service on their pages but calling they will tell the exact procedure. What you should have gotten is the local Valiligi in the town in Turkey where you got married to issue the apostille, and then maybe even go register the marriage at the Finnish embassy in Ankara.

Embassies (as far as I know) do not give Hague apostilles (in any country). All that they can do is to make a paper signed by the consul, which has exactly the same legal value (so it is a "de facto" apostille). However (and now comes the problem), some Maaistratti offices in Finland refuse to accept the consul signature as a valid apostille (there is a diplomatic issue raised on the topic since they have to accept it). So, it will depend on luck on the Maaistratti officer you find.

Worse case scenario, you might have to try to get the apostille in Turkey, but "legally" they cannot give it to you either since you don't live there, and they can tell you that you need to get the legalization of the paper in the embassy where they will give you the consul's signed paper instead of the apostille.

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