buying wine online

tkf · Post by **tkf** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:55 pm

Is there a good company that people recommend that deliver wine to Finland?

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Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 2:33 pm

tkf wrote:Is there a good company that people recommend that deliver wine to Finland?

You have read this? http://www.tulli.fi/en/finnish_customs/ ... /index.jsp

koelsche_buckeye · Post by **koelsche_buckeye** » Sun Mar 16, 2014 3:56 pm

I have bought from weinhalle.de and have never had a problem with them. It usually averages out to around € 3 per bottle for shipping which is pretty much the norm as it is around the same price to ship to Finland when ordering directly from the wineries.

In regards to the link that Upphew has provided inferring that you will need to pay excise tax, you will not need to and I below this is covered in

"If a private person acquires, for personal use, products from another Member State which are
subject to excise duty and are transported to Finland by another private person or a professional
trader, and their movement is not a case of passenger import or distance selling, the person must pay
excise tax in Finland for the products received."

K&U Weinhalle is a German company physically located in Nürnburg and ordering over the internet which is distance selling and allowed under EU rules. No excise duty needs to be paid. There are quite a lot of online retailers for wine in Germany, so it rather easy to find one.

Upphew · Post by **Upphew** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 7:56 am

http://www.valvira.fi/files/tiedostot/a ... a_ohje.pdf

koelsche_buckeye · Post by **koelsche_buckeye** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:36 pm

@ Upphew, everything that I read on the customs website, says that it is legal and there is no extra excise duty to be paid when ordering wine via the internet from another EU country. As you seem to be of a differing opinion, can you please explain your reasoning instead of only posting links to websites (which have proved helpful as they confirmed what I already believed).

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:10 pm

You can order online but you have to arrange delivery to finland by yourself, online alcohol seller cannot deliver alcohol to you. Sender and recipient have to be you.
I know by fact that alcohol can come thru customs but i also know they can and will confiscate it. Do you feel lucky?

koelsche_buckeye · Post by **koelsche_buckeye** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 2:46 pm

Where are you getting that you have to arrange the delivery yourself? If you order wine online from another EU country, seems to me that it would fall under distance selling as stated below

http://www.tulli.fi/en/finnish_customs/ ... on/016.pdf

"Distance selling and the distance seller’s tax representative
Distance selling refers to trade where a private person purchases, from another EU member state, excise goods which are sent or transported to Finland by the seller or a party acting on its behalf either directly or indirectly. The goods are already taxed in the country of departure once they are released for consumption.
Excise duties for goods sold to Finland through distance selling are collected in Finland. The dis- tance seller is liable to pay taxes as regards the excise duty to be paid in Finland. The distance seller is to notify the customs authorities and provide a guarantee before dispatching the goods from another EU member state to Finland.
A distance seller operating in another member state can have a tax representative in Finland. A tax representative in distance selling is a person based in Finland who is appointed by a distance seller operating in another EU member state and to whom the customs authority has granted the right to pay excise duty on behalf of the seller for goods received in Finland. If the distance seller has a tax representative in Finland, it is not necessary to notify the customs authorities about the dispatch of the goods. The tax representative appointed by the distance seller is also liable to pay taxes on be- half of the seller. However, the seller is jointly responsible for the excise duty to be paid by the tax representative."

Now from reading of the above link, it seems that you would be responsible for excise tax if you arrange the delivery yourself.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:11 pm

koelsche_buckeye wrote:I have bought from weinhalle.de and have never had a problem with them. It usually averages out to around € 3 per bottle for shipping which is pretty much the norm as it is around the same price to ship to Finland when ordering directly from the wineries.

Who is marked as the sender in the package?
(I'm curious about what works and what does not)

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 3:36 pm

Rip wrote:
koelsche_buckeye wrote:I have bought from weinhalle.de and have never had a problem with them. It usually averages out to around € 3 per bottle for shipping which is pretty much the norm as it is around the same price to ship to Finland when ordering directly from the wineries.
Who is marked as the sender in the package?
(I'm curious about what works and what does not)

I ordered 12 bottles of cheap wodka from germany and it came thru customs, i assume they didnt check it since its illegal. I knew it could be confiscated but i also knew they cant check all EU packages, only fraction. I know by fact that distance seller has to have tax reprensatitive or shipping has to be arranged by buyer. I know it because of high visibility court cases against sellers by government.
Check Finland vs Estonian booze seller cases.

koelsche_buckeye · Post by **koelsche_buckeye** » Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:28 pm

Still not understanding how the importing 12 bottles of vodka from Germany is illegal or why you would buy the cheap vodka and not get some decent vodka. Also, according to the customs website, you do not have to arrange delivery yourself. If you do, you are opening yourself to having to pay the excise duty. Regardless if the distance seller pays or not, that is the customs issue to take up with them.

I have found the same discussion on another website. Also, can you give me a specific case that you are referring about between the Finland / Estonia regarding lawsuits.

"Arranging the transport yourself is NOT how to do it, since if the seller (within EU) arranges it, it's etämyynti, and the seller has to pay valmisteveros.
Etämyynnissä verovelvollinen on pääsääntöisesti myyjä. Valmisteverotuksessa etämyynnillä tarkoitetaan myyntiä, jossa yhdessä EU-jäsenvaltiossa jo verotettuja tuotteita myydään toisessa jäsenvaltiossa olevalle yksityishenkilölle siten, että tuotteiden lähetyksen tai kuljetuksen hoitaa myyjä tai joku tämän puolesta. Tyypillistä etämyyntiä on posti- ja Internet-myynti.
Yksityishenkilö on velvollinen maksamaan valmisteveron Suomeen, jos hän ostaa valmisteveron alaisia tuotteita toisesta jäsenvaltiosta ja itse järjestää niiden kuljetuksen Suomeen toisen yksityishenkilön tai kuljetusliikkeen välityksellä ilman, että myyjä on mitenkään osallistunut kuljetusjärjestelyihin. Tällöin kyse ei ole siis etämyynnistä. Ostajan lisäksi verovelvollinen tässä tilanteessa on tuotteet Suomeen kuljettanut kuljetusliike tai se yksityishenkilö, joka toisen puolesta tuo tuotteet Suomeen ja se, joka pitää tuotteita hallussaan Suomessa. http://www.tulli.fi/fi/yksityisille/net ... /index.jsp"

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