Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by HongJiang » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:36 pm

onkko wrote:
HongJiang wrote: WHo told u I have never worked in Finland????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

As I said the unemployment benefits are less than my scholarship. Jesus, really something wrong with u....
You said. You said that you dont work in finland and are in goverment education. You didnt tell that you have worked here. Because working in finland is merit towards citizenship and you didnt say you did then most logical assumption is that you didnt work here.

And while unemployment benefits may be less that your scholarship its probably way more than you get in home.

Now you of course give scans of taxation, personal info removed, what proves that you actually worked here. Or just provide your name and we can look ourself.
I graduated from Eastern Finland University as a master. Now I am työtön because I chose to learn Finnish language, I just passed the YKI testi in end of April.
that sentence is my original sentnence which means I am työtön, Suomeksi, olen työtön nyt, se ei tarkoittaa, olen työtön koko ajan. Jesus!!!!!



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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by onkko » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:39 pm

HongJiang wrote:
onkko wrote:
HongJiang wrote: WHo told u I have never worked in Finland????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

As I said the unemployment benefits are less than my scholarship. Jesus, really something wrong with u....
You said. You said that you dont work in finland and are in goverment education. You didnt tell that you have worked here. Because working in finland is merit towards citizenship and you didnt say you did then most logical assumption is that you didnt work here.

And while unemployment benefits may be less that your scholarship its probably way more than you get in home.

Now you of course give scans of taxation, personal info removed, what proves that you actually worked here. Or just provide your name and we can look ourself.

Sorry, usually I personally think those part time or short period work are not counted as vakituinen työ, even though I do know they have my tax record here, maybe that i USUALLY do not care about this part , because I just think it is normal to pay tax. And I only think (persoanlly having part time job is also kind of työtön, at least for myself). so I think I am not working, and of course, I say I am not working means I am not working currently. u think when I say I am not working, it means I have never worked???? I think there are difference between I am not working and I´have never worked. Home which home??? do u mean my previous home in Swizterland or in Shanghai? Both I think I can get higher level of money than unemployment benefits, actually if my wife agreed to move with me to Spain or Shanghai one year ago, I could have a very high salary in Spain or shanghai which could 3 to 5 times more than the unemployment benefits. According to ur logical those thousands of Finns living in Shanghai and Hongkong s should come back to Finland for unemployment benefits, since u think our payment is so few!

Could, would, should. I could get way better salary in Ouagadougou and thats my claim, as valid as your claims. Show me your tax records.
So you havent worked here and you make ridiculous claims how your life would be better elsewhere and you still arent there. Please. Move and make money
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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by onkko » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:40 pm

Rip wrote:
onkko wrote: Because working in finland is merit towards citizenship
No it is not. I'd say it should be, but it is not.
Dont tell them :(
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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by HongJiang » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:49 pm

onkko wrote:
Rip wrote:
onkko wrote: Because working in finland is merit towards citizenship
No it is not. I'd say it should be, but it is not.
Dont tell them :(
Make those Finns in Shanghai come back first, then we go back to shanghai. Then it is fair. If u promese to everybody here to appologise to me for 1000 times in this forum, then I am gonna post my tax record here. Deal???

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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by onkko » Wed Jul 09, 2014 8:59 pm

HongJiang wrote: Make those Finns in Shanghai come back first, then we go back to shanghai. Then it is fair. If u promese to everybody here to appologise to me for 1000 times in this forum, then I am gonna post my tax record here. Deal???
Those finns in shanghai are working and not in dole from goverment, you should be sorry that you are.
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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by HongJiang » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:12 pm

onkko wrote:
HongJiang wrote: Make those Finns in Shanghai come back first, then we go back to shanghai. Then it is fair. If u promese to everybody here to appologise to me for 1000 times in this forum, then I am gonna post my tax record here. Deal???
Those finns in shanghai are working and not in dole from goverment, you should be sorry that you are.
I do not think all of them are working in Shanghai. but I do not konw, since I have no statistics, I do not judge. well true I am not pround of that I am having some unemployment benefits now. But at least I keep on trying and have had some short period jobs or something. And I am still trying and getting the chance to have a job job. And if u think u want to blame us to have the benefits, then blame ur police or goverment, first I even do not know about the beniftis, just I love the water here ,so I came here , then I married here with a local lady, so I am here, I do not think in Shanghai my life will suck if my finnsh wife moved there with me, u do not need to believe in shanghai we may have better life. it is fine for me, as I said I do not care about this , Just wish some one for example the german stop using F word to finnish girls.

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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by onkko » Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:18 pm

HongJiang wrote:
onkko wrote:
HongJiang wrote: Make those Finns in Shanghai come back first, then we go back to shanghai. Then it is fair. If u promese to everybody here to appologise to me for 1000 times in this forum, then I am gonna post my tax record here. Deal???
Those finns in shanghai are working and not in dole from goverment, you should be sorry that you are.
I do not think all of them are working in Shanghai. but I do not konw, since I have no statistics, I do not judge. well true I am not pround of that I am having some unemployment benefits now. But at least I keep on trying and have had some short period jobs or something. And I am still trying and getting the chance to have a job job. And if u think u want to blame us to have the benefits, then blame ur police or goverment, first I even do not know about the beniftis, just I love the water here ,so I came here , then I married here with a local lady, so I am here, I do not think in Shanghai my life will suck if my finnsh wife moved there with me, u do not need to believe in shanghai we may have better life. it is fine for me, as I said I do not care about this , Just wish some one for example the german stop using F word to finnish girls.
Dont think i judge you, i do judge goverment tho.

Now tell me about goverment handouts on shanghai, statistics about finnin there and do provide your income. We in finland love statictis. http://www.stat.fi/
If you cant prove something then dont claim it.
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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by HongJiang » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:24 pm

http://www.shanghainsuomalaiset.com/

http://www.finland.cn/public/default.as ... ture=en-US

Growing interest in the Chinese language and culture has also for its part played an important role in this development. Approximately 70 000 tourists and business people visit China annually. Also the amount of Finnish people living in China has grown year by year - at the moment, there are about 2 000 Finns in China. The amount of Chinese people living in Finland exceeds 8 000 people; about a quarter of them being students.

we have 8000 here, Finland has 2000 there, but only less than 0.00001 percent of us are in Finland, but the percentage of finns in China is much higher.

just count in Finland it is 2000/ five million in China, Chinese in Finland is 8000/1400 million, which during one million fins , there are 400 persons in China. but during one million Chiense there are only 5 persons in Finland.

EVEN that lower, still u guys want to critise us??

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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by HongJiang » Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:32 pm

about the previous income, since I am unemployed now, I think it is better I do not show it up, for the best of both of us. but if some of us insist on, I may consider later after the short time business , short time employed in China with Finnish boss.

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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by onkko » Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:01 pm

HongJiang wrote:http://www.shanghainsuomalaiset.com/

http://www.finland.cn/public/default.as ... ture=en-US

Growing interest in the Chinese language and culture has also for its part played an important role in this development. Approximately 70 000 tourists and business people visit China annually. Also the amount of Finnish people living in China has grown year by year - at the moment, there are about 2 000 Finns in China. The amount of Chinese people living in Finland exceeds 8 000 people; about a quarter of them being students.

we have 8000 here, Finland has 2000 there, but only less than 0.00001 percent of us are in Finland, but the percentage of finns in China is much higher.

just count in Finland it is 2000/ five million in China, Chinese in Finland is 8000/1400 million, which during one million fins , there are 400 persons in China. but during one million Chiense there are only 5 persons in Finland.

EVEN that lower, still u guys want to critise us??
How much chinese goverment pays for unemployed finns? amount of unemployed finns? Does chinese goverment provide free schooling for finns?
I asked statictics, not feelings.
There were exactly 9 496 people who speak chinese (yes chinese was option, dunno if mandarin or what and cba to look rest of languages) as first language in end of 2013 in finland. Looking native language is best way to check.
Quarter of them students, lets say thats 2000. If country of 5,6million gives student places to 2000 from country of 1350million then you of course give equal share and school 482 000 finns, for free of course. And there should be 1 928 571 finns living in china so proportions are same (if we use that 8000 chinese in finland).
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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by macora » Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:40 pm

HongJiang wrote: do u mean my previous home in Swizterland or in Shanghai? Both I think I can get higher level of money than unemployment benefits,
For Switzerland I can tell you: if you have a RP, or are citizen, and have worked for 12 months in the last 2 years, you will get 70% of your former income for 18 months. If you can prove that you really are trying to get the same amount of work, that is. You are obliged to take any kind of work that is reasonable immediately, and fulfill all requirements, the unemployment insurance deems necessary. I can assure you, that those are considerable, since goal #1 is that you are not needing any help ASAP. Naturally, trips to anywhere that hinder you to pick up work immediately, lead to breaks in the payments, and have to be announced. Except they are producing income, then that income is reduced from the payments. Be aware that a daily travel time to the work-place of up to 4 hours is reasonable and you HAVE to take that job. Also be aware, that they do check how sincere your endeavors to get work are. There is a lot of fine print, naturally, that may or may not reduce those 70%. It is 80% if you care for children. If you are unemployed longer than 18 months you are considered a lost cause, and are reduced to poverty line. That is where one for example either owns a radio OR a tv, because to have both is naturally luxury, therefore the payments might get reduced.

Up to you to decide whether you will get more money in Switzerland, and whether it is worth the considerably higher prices for basic life. In or around the economical center Zürich, after around 1-2 years of intensively searching for an apartment one actually may get lucky and find a 1-room flat below 1'800 CHF (approx. 1'480 EUR). As an employed Swiss tenant, that is. For someone who has a better job the 1-2 years can be reduced to a couple months, if one is lucky. Unemployed, and not even EU... guess somewhere where the trip to any center takes 2+ hours, you might find something. Since apartment houses are held by larger corps, in and around Zürich, and there are near to no private landlords, one meets the criteria, or doesn't. Except some of your billionaire friends cough up some money. Money opens many doors around Zürich, and should you be able to pay 3'000 CHF, and more for 1-room, then you probably have no problem to find something. Not sure, since I never had that kind of money. The estimated times are rules of thumb that are quoted as such, and are along my own experiences, and the experiences of friends, and colleagues, over many years.

In general, IF there is an entitlement to care, that is when one is a small child. After that, one should better contribute to any group one is part of, or why should that group care? If there are contracts with other groups, fine. But otherwise? Human rights are there to hinder monstrosities, not to entitle to leeching.

Edit: minus few polite Swiss mannerisms, and plus adding info about the end of being unemployed
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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by Flossy1978 » Fri Jul 11, 2014 6:13 pm

For someone with a Masters degree, your use of "texting" language is quite appalling for someone so educated.

Australia a is not as easy as you wrote. Australia has probably one of the hardest migration systems in the world. My son is a Finn and I couldn't even get him into my home country. So I finally got him Australian Citizenship and even that was a hell of a journey. Getting him an Australian Passport was even harder than the Citizenship.

This jail talk is just bullsh*t. Repeatedly going on and on about it. Go to the immigration department and talk to them. It's not that difficult. You said you speak Finnish. If you do, it should be easy enough for you to read up about your issue.

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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by Oho » Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:03 pm

Flossy1978 wrote: Australia a is not as easy as you wrote. Australia has probably one of the hardest migration systems in the world.
Depends. But legally for someone without meaningful ties certainly seems so.

I looked into it a few years after completing my PhD and the outcome was about snow balls chance in hell simply for being over 35 years of age (I was 36 at the time and realizing pissed me off to no end). Perhaps I would have stood a chance if was able to arrange employment in advance but it seems such plans tend to fall under Catch 22 category: You need a job for RP but cannot really get a job without one. My parents should have immigrated to Australia in the early 70's as they planned and when it would have been a lot simpler form the regulatory perspective at least.

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Re: Finnish Citizenship application and divorcing

Post by Pursuivant » Fri Jul 11, 2014 11:22 pm

I looked at Canada and Australia - too much buteaucracy and the cost! Not cheap. USA does not want white people since 1900's so if you try in legally with education you got no chance.

I am talking as a "work for a living" person who pays more taxes than saves. Shelling out thousands just to become a toilet attendant as you have no "locsl degree" really doesn't cut it.

Even in the UK its getting the citizenship is £700 and taking a test learning wrong answers by rote... Maybe 'll jus get a permanent leave and hope they won't kick me out in 2017
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