Partner visa renewal

case · Post by **case** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 2:15 am

I was living Finland on a partner visa during 2013 and now live in Australia, but want to renew the partner visa. Is it possible to do this online or do I have to do it in person at a police station in Finland?

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Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 6:40 am

Presumably you mean a "residence permit" not a "visa". The renewal is supposed to be applied in Finland. If you let it expire, you can of course apply for new one...

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Wed Aug 20, 2014 9:38 am

case wrote:Is it possible to do this online or do I have to do it in person at a police station in Finland?

Applications for residence permit extensions require a visit to the Police because they need to take your fingerprints. The process can be started online. However, see as RIP said you are likely to be required to make a fully new application at the embassy.

case · Post by **case** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:15 am

Can I apply in person at a police station in Finland without my Finnish partner? I will arrive in Finland a month before she does.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:12 am

If they haven't changed the rules recently, you can. I'd be more worried what happens if/when your partner isn't living here. With a bit of luck the processing won't start before month has passed though.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:28 am

Rip wrote:If they haven't changed the rules recently, you can. I'd be more worried what happens if/when your partner isn't living here. With a bit of luck the processing won't start before month has passed though.

Do you have knowledge if the OP would prevail on appeal? I would hope that at least to save resources they would grant the appeal if the requirements are satisfied at the time of appeal.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:43 am

I'd guess so (but is the appeal any faster than reapplication?)

I don't particularly doubt the OP wouldn't get his permit eventually, it is just a question how much hassle there is before that. Well, the situation is what it is. Fill in the form truthfully (it may be less than obvious what boxes to tick at few places, but the police officer reading it through should anyway be able to get the correct understanding of the situation). Maybe there is no problem.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 12:45 pm

Rip wrote:I'd guess so (but is the appeal any faster than reapplication?)

I was thinking appeal would make the permit start earlier (residence period for citizenship) and there would be no danger of residing illegally. My guess would be that the appeal is slower.

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 8:27 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Rip wrote:I'd guess so (but is the appeal any faster than reapplication?)
I was thinking appeal would make the permit start earlier (residence period for citizenship) and there would be no danger of residing illegally. My guess would be that the appeal is slower.

While under appeal you arent residing illegally but you arent residing legally either, you are in limbo. Dont go in limbo.

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:09 pm

onkko wrote: While under appeal you arent residing illegally but you arent residing legally either, you are in limbo. Dont go in limbo.

I don't think there's a limbo:

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2 ... 0301#L4P40

"Ulkomaalainen saa laillisesti oleskella maassa hakemuksen käsittelyn ajan, kunnes asia on lainvoimaisesti ratkaistu tai on tehty täytäntöönpanokelpoinen päätös ulkomaalaisen maasta poistamiseksi."

If you appeal "lainvoimainen ratkaisu" comes from the appeal court(s). If you don't appeal then the decision of police is final and you are residing illegally.

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 10:20 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
onkko wrote: While under appeal you arent residing illegally but you arent residing legally either, you are in limbo. Dont go in limbo.
I don't think there's a limbo:

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2 ... 0301#L4P40

"Ulkomaalainen saa laillisesti oleskella maassa hakemuksen käsittelyn ajan, kunnes asia on lainvoimaisesti ratkaistu tai on tehty täytäntöönpanokelpoinen päätös ulkomaalaisen maasta poistamiseksi."

If you appeal "lainvoimainen ratkaisu" comes from the appeal court(s). If you don't appeal then the decision of police is final and you are residing illegally.

You can stay here of course, i think we have misunderstanding. In most of goverment cases you arent here legally (legal = residence permit). Read Kela etc. So in your own expence withouth any goverment help you can stay and wait.
To goverment you dont exist, so no driving license or any kind of licence. You dont have residence permit=bad for you, cant help.
Thats what i ment about residing legally. You do not have all rights of legal resident because you are "not kicked out yet illegal".

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:03 pm

onkko wrote: You can stay here of course, i think we have misunderstanding. In most of goverment cases you arent here legally (legal = residence permit). Read Kela etc. So in your own expence withouth any goverment help you can stay and wait.
To goverment you dont exist, so no driving license or any kind of licence. You dont have residence permit=bad for you, cant help.
Thats what i ment about residing legally. You do not have all rights of legal resident because you are "not kicked out yet illegal".

The OP has already resided here so there'a already a personal identity code. Even so getting to the system does not always require residence permit to have been issued.

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/2 ... 90661#L2P9

"Ulkomaan kansalaista koskevat tiedot talletetaan väestötietojärjestelmään, jos hänellä on Suomessa kotikuntalain (201/1994) mukaan määräytynyt kotikunta ja siellä oleva asuinpaikka."

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1 ... 40201#L2P4

"Suomeen ulkomailta tulleen ja täällä asuvan henkilön kotikunta ja siellä oleva asuinpaikka määräytyy tämän lain säännösten mukaisesti, jos

4) hän on sellaisen henkilön perheenjäsen, jolla on Suomessa tässä laissa tarkoitettu kotikunta; taikka"

Kela decision can come into force from the date of the resident permit application:

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1 ... 1573#L2P3c

"Jos oleskelulupaa on haettu ulkomaalaislain 60 §:ssä tarkoitetuissa tapauksissa Suomessa ja se on myönnetty, tämän lain mukainen oleskelulupavaatimus täyttyy jo lupahakemuksen jättämisestä."

There will no doubt be problems from not having a residence permit but still residing in Finland might be preferred to the alternative(s).

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:38 pm

I have personal ID in sweden, havent been there since 1981.

Everyone is registeded regardless legality of their stay.

Foreign is member of municipality where his legal member of family recides, ok and so? Doesnt say anything about legality.

60 is about

60 a § (13.9.2013/668)

Pitkään oleskelleen kolmannen maan kansalaisen EU-oleskeluluvan toisessa Euroopan unionin jäsenvaltiossa saaneen kolmannen maan kansalaisen ja hänen perheenjäsenensä oleskeluluvan hakeminen ja hakemuksen käsittely

Section 60
Applications for residence permits
(1) A first residence permit shall be
applied for abroad in the country where the
alien resides legally before entering Finland.
The application is filed with a Finnish
mission.
(2) A residence permit may be applied
for in Finland under sections 49, 49 a, 50-52,
52a, 54, 56 and 56a. The application is filed
with the District Police. (358/2007)
(3) If the permit is issued by the
Ministry for Foreign Affairs, the application
for a permit may be filed with the Ministry
after the applicant has already entered the
country.
(4) Further provisions on the application
procedure for residence permits may be
given by Government decree.

onkko · Post by **onkko** » Thu Sep 04, 2014 11:42 pm

betelgeuse wrote: "Jos oleskelulupaa on haettu ulkomaalaislain 60 §:ssä tarkoitetuissa tapauksissa Suomessa ja se on myönnetty, tämän lain mukainen oleskelulupavaatimus täyttyy jo lupahakemuksen jättämisestä."

Lets say this comes on, it still does mean that while i wait im out of luck. I may have something back but i still would be "illegal"

betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Fri Sep 05, 2014 12:36 am

onkko wrote: Foreign is member of municipality where his legal member of family recides, ok and so? Doesnt say anything about legality.

It says the law is applied to the family member. Not that the municipality is the one of the family member. We already established the legality of the residence. Many laws are not tied to residence permits at all. For example income support:

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/1 ... 71412#L1P2

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