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chelseab
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Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by chelseab » Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:07 pm

Hi everyone,

I hope you are all well :-)

I am a New Zealand citizen, currently residing in the UK under a working holiday visa. It will expire next year, so I am in the process of applying for a Finnish working holiday visa.

My question concerns a past criminal offence that was committed almost 6 years ago - a youth drink driving offence, with which I got the minimum sentence of 3 months license suspension. I wonder if this is reason to reject my Finnish visa application? It is my only offence, and there is nothing else on my record. Only a stupid mistake made by a teenager.

I similarly had to provide details of my conviction when applying for my UK visa and it was no issue. I think I'm just stressing more than I should, but I'm unsure how strict the Finnish government is.

Any information, or personal experiences you could supply would be most appreciated!

Take care!
Chelsea



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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Upphew » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:28 pm

chelseab wrote:Hi everyone,

I hope you are all well :-)

I am a New Zealand citizen, currently residing in the UK under a working holiday visa. It will expire next year, so I am in the process of applying for a Finnish working holiday visa.

My question concerns a past criminal offence that was committed almost 6 years ago - a youth drink driving offence, with which I got the minimum sentence of 3 months license suspension. I wonder if this is reason to reject my Finnish visa application? It is my only offence, and there is nothing else on my record. Only a stupid mistake made by a teenager.

I similarly had to provide details of my conviction when applying for my UK visa and it was no issue. I think I'm just stressing more than I should, but I'm unsure how strict the Finnish government is.

Any information, or personal experiences you could supply would be most appreciated!

Take care!
Chelsea
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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by chelseab » Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:54 pm

Hi, thank you for replying. The quote you mentioned is listed under requirements for Australians, not New Zealanders. There are different criteria for both - for example, as a New Zealander I must have purchased medical insurance for the duration of my stay, where as Australians are entitled to the public health system in Finland.

That is where a lot of my confusion is based on - it mentions nothing about a criminal offence under the requirements for New Zealanders.

Thank you again for taking the time to reply.

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by rinso » Wed Sep 17, 2014 7:04 am

There are different criteria for both - for example, as a New Zealander I must have purchased medical insurance for the duration of my stay, where as Australians are entitled to the public health system in Finland.
That's because Finland and Australia have a bilateral health care agreement.
You can be sure the no-crime clause applies to everyone.

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by chelseab » Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:21 am

Ah ok then. Thank you for your response rinso.

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Rip » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:11 am

rinso wrote: You can be sure the no-crime clause applies to everyone.

I would not take that for granted. The Australian and New Zealand arrangements are based on two different treaties, drafted in different years, so they might be slightly different in content. Unfortunately it does not seem to be possible to locate the actual treaties online. I'm sure migri would not accept habitual criminals, but I would not considered it clear how they would handle this case. I note that the application for New Zealand citizens is without a processing fee.

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Rip » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:24 am

OK, the text are available online and there is some difference in them, namely the Finnish-Australian treaty mentions separately "luotettava tausta" (= "reliable/trustworthy background"). These things tend to work two ways, if the Australian government has stricter criteria than New Zealand regarding who they let in, the Finnish state likely requires the same higher standard from Australian citizens.

http://formin.finland.fi/Public/default ... ntentlan=1
http://formin.finland.fi/public/default ... ntentlan=1

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by chelseab » Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:44 pm

Thank you so much for taking the time to look into this!

I'm not sure about working holiday permits for Finns, but the Australian government has strict criteria for who they let enter the country, even for visiting. Any criminal offences must be declared upon entering the country - even as a New Zealander (with free borders between the two countries), I must do this.

Where as New Zealand does not have the same criteria for those entering there.

I am going ahead with my application anyway, and will of course report back on how it turns out, so others know for the future.

Would you recommend a supporting written statement with regards to the offence, or would it be best to simply state on the application my offence and leave it at that?

Thank you again for your help.

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Upphew » Wed Sep 17, 2014 2:34 pm

chelseab wrote:Would you recommend a supporting written statement with regards to the offence, or would it be best to simply state on the application my offence and leave it at that?
If there is a line to write it, write. If there is instruction to add supporting statement, then add it. You are about to understand how the machine works, do you want to throw the wrench in?
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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Pursuivant » Wed Sep 17, 2014 9:08 pm

Well, how will they know/check? :twisted:
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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Rip » Thu Sep 18, 2014 5:03 am

Pursuivant wrote:Well, how will they know/check? :twisted:
They ask the authorization to check from relevant authorities. If they actually do that is another question.

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Pursuivant » Fri Sep 19, 2014 1:28 am

And in most countries the answer is " mind your own business".
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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by chelseab » Fri Sep 19, 2014 12:57 pm

The guidelines for Finns wanting the same permit into New Zealand requires applicants to be 'of good character':

"Under sections 15 and 16 of the Immigration Act we will not grant you a visa if:

you have been convicted and sentenced to imprisonment for 5 years or more (this applies even if any of your offences have later been taken off the record)
in the past 10 years you were convicted and sentenced to imprisonment for 12 months or more
you are subject to a period of prohibition on entry to New Zealand under section 179 or 180 of the Immigration Act 2009
you have been deported or removed from New Zealand under any enactment (whether before or after the commencement of the Immigration Act 2009)
you are excluded from New Zealand under any enactment
you have, at any time, been removed, excluded, or deported from another country
you have been involved in terrorist activities, or belonged to or supported any organisation involved in terrorist activities
it is believed you are likely to commit – or to assist others to commit – criminal or drug offences, or an act of terrorism, in New Zealand
it is believed you are likely – due to any international circumstances – to be a danger to New Zealand’s security or public order
it is believed you are associated with an organisation or group that has criminal objectives or is engaged in criminal activities and for that – or any other reason – you’re considered to be a threat to the public interest or public order of New Zealand."

They likewise carry out checks on all applicants, however unlike Finland, they aren't kind enough to ask your permission for the checks :wink:
So here's hoping it's the same, or similar criteria for New Zealanders wanting the permit for Finland.
My appointment is with the embassy in a couple weeks, and I've been advised waiting time is 1-2 months.

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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by Pursuivant » Fri Sep 19, 2014 10:40 pm

So, how do they carry out the checks? Google? Finnish data protection act requires one to be suspected of a crime before they can bother the Interpol.
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Re: Applying for a working holiday visa - question

Post by chelseab » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:53 am

Background checks are standard for immigration purposes - how they carry out those checks I couldn't tell you.
If I were to lie on the form - would they pick up on it? Maybe. Maybe not. Is it worth it if they catch me out? Hell no. I risk being banned from the Schengen territories. Feel free to lie on any forms you like and take that risk.


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