Dual Masters' Degree programmes?

[knight_travis]

A friend of mine, from Korea, is interested in applying for a Dual Masters' Degree in Finland

He has a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science from the University of Seoul.

He is planning to continue his studies here in Finland. But, he wants to apply for more than just a Masters in Political Science; he also wants a Masters in Education

But, he does not have a Bachelor's in Education.

My first response to him was : "You can apply for a Masters in Political Science, as you already have the Bachelor's degree for that field. But, you don't have a Bachelors in Education, so you cannot apply for a Masters in that field"

Still, I'm not 100% certain that this is accurate

Does anybody have a clue?

If I'm wrong --- and, it is indeed possible --- then which Institutions of Higher Learning allows for such Dual Masters programmes in Finland?

(he wants something in the Helsinki Capital Region)

[knight_travis]

A friend of mine, from Korea, is interested in applying for a Dual Masters' Degree in Finland

He has a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science from the University of Seoul.

He is planning to continue his studies here in Finland. But, he wants to apply for more than just a Masters in Political Science; he also wants a Masters in Education

But, he does not have a Bachelor's in Education.

My first response to him was : "You can apply for a Masters in Political Science, as you already have the Bachelor's degree for that field. But, you don't have a Bachelors in Education, so you cannot apply for a Masters in that field"

Still, I'm not 100% certain that this is accurate

Does anybody have a clue?

If I'm wrong --- and, it is indeed possible --- then which Institutions of Higher Learning allows for such Dual Masters programmes in Finland?

(he wants something in the Helsinki Capital Region)

It already burns finn's ass when they hear free education to foreigners (much have been the topic of debate lately), and your friend wants to get double degree at the same time? Its not possible by law, you can only be student of one degree at a time in Finland, till now. Maybe it'll change once they start implementing fees for non-EU students.

Yeah, there's always an "Einstein" on this forum, who thinks of himself as God's gift to to the "ignorant".

For your information, GENIUS : I received an email 3 hours ago from the University of Helsinki's Admissions Office. The answer is "YES", a dual Masters' degree is indeed possible !!!

The only problem in this particular case being : my Korean friend would have to wait until December before he can actually apply for it.

So, my suggestion, Doctor : make sure you have your facts straight, before opening your smart-mouth!

Remember : to be a smart-ass, first you need to be SMART...............otherwise, you're just an............... (you see where I'm going with this? )

[Beep_Boop]

Disclaimer: This is purely based on my general knowledge and experience. It could be wrong.

I think there seems to be a confusion here about what the world calls "double degree" and what Finland calls "double degree". The answer you got from University of Helsinki is in the context of Finland's definition.

- Double degree almost everywhere in the world: Studying two different degrees at the same time and completing them faster than what it would take to study them one after the other. It can be in the same university (different programmes), or two completely different university.

- Double degree in Finland: Freely transferring study points between two different universities (almost always between Finnish and non-Finnish universities) after agreement between those two universities. The result of such transfer is that you can continue your studies in either university and be awarded a degree from both of them. Most of the time this happens in closely related fields of studies.

Personally, I haven't really heard about people studying actually double Master's degrees in two different fields from the same university in Finland (or another university in Finland).

it would surprise me no end if they EVER accepted a non-edu degree holder into MA for Education.)

Oh, prepare to be surprised a lot.

[betelgeuse]

So, my suggestion, Doctor : make sure you have your facts straight, before opening your smart-mouth!

Here's the law about study place: http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 090558.pdf section 38.

It already burns finn's ass when they hear free education to foreigners (much have been the topic of debate lately), and your friend wants to get double degree at the same time? Its not possible by law, you can only be student of one degree at a time in Finland, till now. Maybe it'll change once they start implementing fees for non-EU students.

Read the act again and you will see that the above is wrong. You will see that it only limits acceptance to one degree programme per term. It's perfectly valid from the point of view of the Universities Act to be enrolled in multiple degree programmes as long as applying happens over multiple terms. The section you quoted also doesn't restrict a degree programme from offering multiple majors.

[caster]

Complicated - when it's a free education in Finland - as the universities get paid by the gov for each student once they graduate. There is a quota for every program at the universities that allows a specific number of intake (domestic + international + outstanding book worms) - so finding a place at university is difficult. The studies itself are full time so there is no free slot that allow anyone to grab second degree same time no matter how hard working they are -

Seems your friend is collecting degrees. Its not the number of degrees that educates you - its your ability to acquire wisdom.

Free does not mean - I will take two - this is called greed - you yourself are paying a part of your earned income to provide free education just like the rest here so be transparent.

[betelgeuse]

The section you quoted also doesn't restrict a degree programme from offering multiple majors.

the question was about multiple degree, not multiple major..... in 120 ECTS system usually 40 ECTS are dedicated for Major, if you take 25 ECTS from another course you can write that course as Minor. Not sure about double major, for instance I studied Computer Science as Mojor, but if I studied 25 ECTS of communication then my minor could be IT. So, if I take 40 ECTS from IT will I have double major?

My programme had major 3 modules of 20 ETCS, 30 thesis, 20 elective, 20 minor, 10 methodology of science. Swapping one of the major modules to minor and doing your thesis to minor was a possibility. If you directed electives to the minor, then you ended up with two subjects quite equally. Of course in degree certificates one would still be major and one minor. At least for me it doesn't matter what is says in that paper.

Yes the original question was about multiple degrees but aren't we doing this for the knowledge and qualification. For that purpose I don't see a difference to double majoring (for the knowledge this might mean going over 120 ECTS).

Read the act again and you will see that the above is wrong. You will see that it only limits acceptance to one degree programme per term.

So you mean, if I can get registered as active student for a term Autumn 2015 in Business Economics (active for whole year), and in spring can I register in the same university as active student for Computer Science? having active status in both degrees? I highly doubt that.

If the computer science degree programme starts in January, yes. I have many friends who have been enrolled in multiple programs at the same time.

The Acceptance letter I signed clearly said I cannot register for another university once I sign acceptance letter for that particular university.

Probably a reference to the acceptance of one university per term. Then there can be restrictions like in Aalto where you can't be signed to multiple engineering degree programmes at the same time.

[inkku]

A friend of mine, from Korea, is interested in applying for a Dual Masters' Degree in Finland
He has a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science from the University of Seoul.
He is planning to continue his studies here in Finland. But, he wants to apply for more than just a Masters in Political Science; he also wants a Masters in Education
But, he does not have a Bachelor's in Education.
.... which Institutions of Higher Learning allows for such Dual Masters programmes in Finland?
(he wants something in the Helsinki Capital Region)

In Helsinki, he can look for Masters in English via this degree finder
https://university.helsinki.fi/en/degre ... cation_1=2

For Masters in Education without Bachelor in Education, to my knowledge at least Oulu University offers interesting and reputable Masters programme or programmes for Bachelor holders in different fields. However, it is very far away from Helsinki. I did not check other provincial universities (Jyvaskyla? Joensuu?)

I don't know how are the formalities but in terms of time I am sure a hard working Korean will be able to do at least 1,5 degrees simultaneously. I my opinion, would be better to enroll into one degree programme, and do the universal study units either in that university or in Open University, and then in the following year enroll to the second one (assuming he gets in).