Is the Finnish "justice" system a sick joke?

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 2:49 pm

http://yle.fi/uutiset/tapanilan_raiskaa ... in/8097897

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betelgeuse · Post by **betelgeuse** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:10 pm

harryc wrote:http://yle.fi/uutiset/tapanilan_raiskaa ... in/8097897

As a general comment we have a rehabilitation system and not a punishment system. To comment on individual cases one should read the actual judgement instead of news which I don't have the time for. In terms of sentencing the Finnish system can be extremely lenient but that doesn't automatically mean it's a sick joke.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:10 pm

Actually I think the sentence for this finger rape reasonably fits in to what the courts give for other violent crimes. Opinions vary regarding that overall line of verdicts.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:16 pm

India doesn't even prosecute - never mind giving punishment. Results?

Btw - I see no mention of any 'rehabilitation' re Tapanila - and just curious - what would that entail?

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:22 pm

harryc wrote:
Btw - I see no mention of any 'rehabilitation' re Tapanila - and just curious - what would that entail?

A painless surgical removal of the offending digit might prevent re-offense. Plus a promise to rehabilitate all the other fingers if one of them re-offends.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:07 pm

A painless surgical removal of the offending digit might prevent re-offense. Plus a promise to rehabilitate all the other fingers if one of them re-offends.

Not very funny.

rayoflight · Post by **rayoflight** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 7:54 pm

harryc wrote:India doesn't even prosecute - never mind giving punishment. Results?

Btw - I see no mention of any 'rehabilitation' re Tapanila - and just curious - what would that entail?

It is hard to follow the English translation but the outcome seems very lenient indeed. Why the India comment though? were the culprits from India?

Rick1 · Post by **Rick1** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 8:50 pm

Prosecutor goes higher up, good thing.

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Tue Jun 23, 2015 9:14 pm

"Why the India comment though? were the culprits from India?"

The implication of the first reply was somewhat of a 'Finland is lenient and that's the way to solve crime'

India is SUPER-lenient on rape - and the rest of the globe's womenfolk is now scared to death to go there.

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:04 am

harryc wrote:
A painless surgical removal of the offending digit might prevent re-offense. Plus a promise to rehabilitate all the other fingers if one of them re-offends.
Not very funny.

You assume it's a joke, but this suggestion is harmonious with concepts of justice in the perps' homelands. (Well, except that it punishes males for behavior toward females, which is probably heretical.)

Some youths who go this far are still fixable but most aren't. And jail certainly won't improve them. Removal of a minor finger followed by immediate release would undoubtedly be a sufficient lifelong reminder and one the perpetrator would consider logical cause and effect.

So a finger gets a pass because it's not real rape. I'd be curious to know the prosecutor's position on the use of a bottle instead. I wonder if someone will ask about that locally in an LTE.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:22 am

roger_roger wrote:I found this one Joke as well http://yle.fi/uutiset/sademies_goes_unp ... se/8097409

They said its not the matter to discuss inside the party, case closed. WTF

Why should there be too different set of rules, one for PS and one for other parties? Was there for example consequences inside the party or parliament group for the member of the previous parliament from SDP that was concerned that ISIS veterans returning to Finland are not treated as well as those that have served within Finnish armed forces?

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:59 pm

"the member of the previous parliament from SDP that was concerned that ISIS veterans returning to Finland are not treated as well as those that have served within Finnish armed forces?"

True? Who? When?

harryc · Post by **harryc** » Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:35 pm

With regard to the original post - it sure seems that the general Finnish opinion is that the result of this Tapanila case is pretty sick indeed.

Jukka Aho · Post by **Jukka Aho** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:57 am

Here's an article (not unlike many other articles published in the media before it) which pretty much sums up the matter:

http://www.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/2015062 ... 7_uu.shtml

And the funky Google Translate "translation":

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... edit-text=

From Google Translate English to regular English:

contingent, conditional = probation

prison population is required to be calculated = prison population should be reduced (laskea vs. laskea, two different meanings!)

punishments are usually used only in the lowest quarters = judges tend to deal sentences from the lowest quarter of the penal range (rather than using the full range as allowed by the acts and as intended by the lawmaker, except in exceptional cases)

town planning = urbanization

epäanalyyttistä = unanalytical

It is also thought that you should skip the really törkeille cases maneuver = It is also thought that one should reserve some headroom (in the penal range) for the truly outrageous cases

Conditional punishment as a warning, so it should get a concrete sanction side, he hopes = Probation compares more to a warning, so there should be some concrete sanction on the side as well.

Saving causes of professors do not accept the explanation = The professors do not accept the desire to save (the State's) money as an explanation

AldenG · Post by **AldenG** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:09 pm

These sentences send a message, all right -- to the victim: she's just not that important. Not as important as making sure the manchildren are not traumatized or stigmatized for one little misunderstanding. Boys will be boys, and girls should get over themselves.

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