Siwa clerk sells beer after 10pm right in front of vartija?

[Londonchris]

Probably budweiser then

[Oho]

You're correct it is the law. They can't even scan/sell that at 9.01 if he has been in the queue half an hour.

That's not the law, that's the cash register. They certainly are allowed to ring it up after nine, providing the register system permits it, if the patron got hold of it before.

[Flossy1978]

Is this really a hill to die on????

It's more horrific in Australia where they are proposing to get rid of our favourite spread Vegemite, because bogan losers are making bootleg beer out of it for the Aborigines living in "no booze" zones! To end our favourite food over such a thing would bring Australia to its knees Not that the rest of the world cares, you all think it's foul.

One episode of naughtiness you witnessed and you're going to make a mountain out of a mole hill??? I'd suggest Finland has a lot more serious issues to deal with, these days.

[justaguy]

Next time try learn about about Finland laws before making accusations.
More info: Asetus alkoholijuomista ja väkiviinasta

It's "Finnish" laws. Anyway this is funny coming from you, I didn't see you mentioning earlier "What if it was Koff 'I' beer, which is allowed to be sold after 9pm?" Looks to me like you just learned something yourself.
I don't drink beer, and I didn't realise that the laws against selling alcohol were so specific. It's no secret that Finland has a lot of confusing and downright mundane laws on alcohol.

It's more horrific in Australia where they are proposing to get rid of our favourite spread Vegemite, because bogan losers are making bootleg beer out of it for the Aborigines living in "no booze" zones! To end our favourite food over such a thing would bring Australia to its knees Not that the rest of the world cares, you all think it's foul.

I didn't even know. I haven't lived there for close to 6 years. Who on earth would want to remove Vegemite? It's probably the only 'good' food we've ever made ourselves. The rest of the stuff you find in the supermarket is pretty low quality stuff.

[masao]

I couldn't give a damn if you don't think it's a big deal. Obviously you and I are different people with different values, take a hint.

You are not displaying moral values, you are displaying massive amounts of pompousness and pedantry.

Said the pot to the kettle.

I don't like people breaking the law, right in front of my face. If you want to turn a blind eye to such things then that's your decision and I don't care about that. I didn't post on this forum to have people make a mockery of breaking the law.

Anyway turns out that you're allowed to buy that particular beer after 9pm. @#$% knows why, and I can't see anywhere on finlex anywhere that 'certain' alcohol is not covered by the general time constraint that starts at 9pm.

Olen selvitellyt kyseistä asiaa lomalta palattuani sekä Securitaksen että kyseisen kaupan kanssa. Kyseiset pullot olivat Koffin 1-olutta jota alkoholin myyntiaikarajoitukset eivät koske. Meillä ei ole myynnissä Koffin lasipulloja kuin tuo ko. tuote. Ostotapahtumat näkyvät myös valvontajärjestelmämme tallenteissa.
Kiitos paljon tarkkaavaisuudestanne ja hienoa huomata että myös asiakkaat ovat näin valveutuneita.

T. Siwa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koff_(beer)
Koff I (2.5%)

Alcohol is alcohol and I did see those guys buying those glass bottles (in question) despite the fact that the reply I got from this guy states that they don't sell them.
Anyway sure you'd have to drink a lot of them I suppose but whatever. I suppose some of us learned that you can buy incredibly watered down beer after 9pm if the alcohol section of the store isn't properly locked.

Well done, justaguy.
And I learnt that those local spurgis would drink anything to satisfy their alkohol thirst.
t, masao

[Beep_Boop]

Looks to me like you just learned something yourself.

Since I brew my own beer and making my own wine, this is probably one of the very few things I already know about Finland laws.

I don't drink beer, and I didn't realise that the laws against selling alcohol were so specific. It's no secret that Finland has a lot of confusing and downright mundane laws on alcohol.

Well, I believe that some knowledge of the alcohol-related law (even if superficial) is kinda a prerequisite for whining online about witnessing something allegedly illegal and sending a formal complaint to the business where you witnessed this allegedly illegal act.

[Karhunkoski]

so you don't make the same stupid mistake again

A little harsh. I think a lot of people, including me, were not aware of the intricacies of Finland alcohol sales law.

Well done, justaguy.

+1

I think justaguy had some balls to stand up and be counted in this case, a case which could have been a crime.
More balls than the weasels who would feign indifference, look the other way and carry on with their own self-centered lives.

[Beep_Boop]

More balls than the weasels who would feign indifference, look the other way and carry on with their own self-centered lives.

If I see someone hitting someone, I'll call the cops. If I see someone buying alcohol to a minor, I'll tell the cashier. If I hear of someone importing cocaine, I'll report them.
If I see someone buying a beer at 21:01? Meh. Does this mean I have less balls? I don't think so. It just means that I'm capable of having my own moral reasoning based on my own moral compass, one that I've spent nearly 3 decades calibrating. Yes, there are laws, but I also have a brain; not all laws have a good reason.

You sleep on the 5th of November in Colorado knowing that you can be busted for a bit of weed and go to jail for a long long time, but wake up next day knowing that all of the sudden it's okay. Did weed all of the sudden become less dangerous? Nope.
The same with the prohibition in the States. Sleep in the 4th of December 1933 after committing the crime of drinking a shot of moonshine, wake up next day before the alcohol has even cleared out of your body and it's all good. Did alcohol magically become less damaging to the human body? Nope.

Laws can change between days and months, but morality tend to stick for a long time. Remember, in some parts of the world it's legal to kill a man for being gay, but no decent person would think it's moral. I know, my example is quite hyperbolic, but I'm just trying to illustrate the point about legality not being replacement for logical and moral reasoning.
Stealing money from grannies at the ATM is 100% illegal, but is it really the reason why you and I don't do it? I mean, if tomorrow there was a law that made it legal, would you go and do it? I wouldn't.

[onkko]

Only if local spurgus havent done everything for hundres of years....
Just sell alcohol 24/7, cheaper than this limit and no illegal gains.
Bodycount would rise but its mostly spurgus who wont be in productive job anyway so plus.

[downhand]

More balls than the weasels who would feign indifference, look the other way and carry on with their own self-centered lives.

If I see someone hitting someone, I'll call the cops. If I see someone buying alcohol to a minor, I'll tell the cashier. If I hear of someone importing cocaine, I'll report them.
If I see someone buying a beer at 21:01? Meh. Does this mean I have less balls? I don't think so. It just means that I'm capable of having my own moral reasoning based on my own moral compass, one that I've spent nearly 3 decades calibrating. Yes, there are laws, but I also have a brain; not all laws have a good reason.

Precisely.

[Karhunkoski]

In my opinion some people are missing the wider point here.

The real issue isn't about someone getting a few beers after hours. It would be a relatively minor "crime" in the greater scheme of things.

The important point is that if everyone turned a blind eye to low-level crimes and corruption, where do we get to after a few generations?

And exactly whose moral compasses are good enough to pick and choose which laws should be followed? Those who have a larger than average dollop of brains inside their heads, or do we include everyone who is capable of stating that they have a brain?

In summary: Small event, carrying a significant principle for wider society.

[irnbru]

The question you have to ask is. Is he reporting the cashier because of his moral compass or because he's a bell?