FinlandGirl wrote: ↑Fri May 08, 2020 12:35 am
diablogun wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 11:48 pm
FinlandGirl wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 10:52 pm
This is true for people who are working in the second country.
My reading of 2003/109/EC is that students are not eligible after 5 years.
If you come to Finland for other purposes I do not see where the Finnish Aliens Act implements this.
5 years on continuous residence permits does fulfil the requirement for citizenship.
5 years on temporary residence permits does not fulfil the requirement for citizenship.
Citizenship requirements are outside the scope of EU legislation.
It's true for anyone who gets a permit from a second country from the initial EU long term residency. Whoever has that will not apply for a student permit, as that is most often not considered for purposes of residency.
It is weird that "other purposes" in 2003/109/EC seems to give more rights than studies.
This is where the Finnish Aliens Act differs.
diablogun wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 11:48 pm
The EU directive is very clear that one can get a new long term Resident card from the next country after 5 years.
What article of 2003/109/EC are you referring to?
Article 23 says that in the next country the normal rules apply, which exclude students.
diablogun wrote: ↑Thu May 07, 2020 11:48 pm
It's rare that these are used for mobility. I think, because it is a pain to have to explain the EU directive to each successive country.
Usually people are not so rich that they can live without working.
It is not obvious how the EU directive makes a difference for people who are applying for a Finnish residence permit based on work. Even the rejection of a residence permit if the job could be done by an EU citizen instead of you seems to be permitted by 2003/109/EC.
Someone who is eligible for EU long term residency in Finland would also be eligible for citizenship.
Finnish citizenship gives the right to live and work in all EU countries without having to apply for a residence permit first.
I just read that gargantuan link you sent, and it is pretty enlightening. It even sets forth from Finland's set of laws what can be granted as a permit, as well as what types of support can be counted (pensions is in there) when applying. It's clear they have latitude in which type of residency they can grant, and that it should be done while applying for abroad. It's good to know after 5 years one could go straight to citizenship and skip another long term eu permit.
As to the initial directive
"Long-term residents living in the second Member State will retain their status in the first Member State until they have acquired the same status in the second Member State. If they so wish, they may, after being legally resident in the second Member State for five years, apply to be considered as long-term residents in that Member State.
My questions are answered, at least the healthcare one and that one can get citizenship in finland after 5 years. Being able to work is going to be up to whoever takes my application. I guess.
Thanks for taking so much time to look into this.