Citizenship Application 2021

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BomjaraSedoi
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by BomjaraSedoi » Wed Apr 28, 2021 3:53 pm

Hi everyone!!!
i got yesterday the third supplement request. my application on stage 2 since 2.2020...they asked me a strange things for example: When you were enterpreneur you get km korvaukset+ateria korvaukset. Give us ajopäiväkirjat +verotodistukset
It’s unbelievable. I’m waiting a descision and I go to the court. It’s not normal...
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Vicerg
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Vicerg » Wed Apr 28, 2021 4:50 pm

maskara wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:09 pm
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Hey guys,

I have been asked some additional documents today. I sent them. There were really weird questions lol. No answer or decision so far. And my stage is still waiting for processing (stage 1).

Anyone has experience if decision is made right after additional documents sent? Did you also get very detailed questions? And was decision negative or positive?

Thanks.
How do you get an additional document asked if your application is waiting to be processed?🤔
Waiting to be processed means no one has touched it so how can you be asked to supplement?
Or did you go for the interview today?
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I don’t really know, I applied March 2020.


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Hey guys,

I have been asked some additional documents today. I sent them. There were really weird questions lol. No answer or decision so far. And my stage is still waiting for processing (stage 1).

Anyone has experience if decision is made right after additional documents sent? Did you also get very detailed questions? And was decision negative or positive?

Thanks.
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Clearly your case is on stage 2, don't trust this staging. I think you will get the decision soon, maybe this or next week.
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It doesn’t say as a message “you application now started processing “. It’s weird that it’s still at stage 1. If they didn’t process, how did they want to request additional documents? Bizarre!
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Can you share what documents they asled for? I have heard of many cases when they got from 1st to 3rd stage(decision) so don't think too much, your application is in process
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4/27/2021 Your application is waiting for your reply to a request for supplementary information.
4/27/2021 You have replied to a request for supplementary information.

Their questions were weird. Like “you got this much money transfer from your spouse, did you pay the gift tax on that money?” It shocked me lol. The amount is not high btw.
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how did they know the amount of money your spouse transferred to you? was it reflecting on your bank statements you attached during your application or you kept on supplementing your application with bank statements and or payslips? that made them know about this money

maskara
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by maskara » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:09 pm

[/quote] how did they know the amount of money your spouse transferred to you? was it reflecting on your bank statements you attached during your application or you kept on supplementing your application with bank statements and or payslips? that made them know about this money
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They ask for full transaction for the time you live in Finland.

betelgeuse
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by betelgeuse » Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:40 pm

maskara wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:09 pm
Their questions were weird. Like “you got this much money transfer from your spouse, did you pay the gift tax on that money?” It shocked me lol. The amount is not high btw.
Tax debt can be a reason to deny the application.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by maskara » Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:07 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:40 pm
maskara wrote:
Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:09 pm
Their questions were weird. Like “you got this much money transfer from your spouse, did you pay the gift tax on that money?” It shocked me lol. The amount is not high btw.
Tax debt can be a reason to deny the application.
Can be but I had no idea about this absurd “gift tax” which is invented to skim people more. What is even more absurd, it doesn’t matter if you are family or not, if you get an amount of 5000 € total in 3 years, you have to pay gift tax. Which makes it clear that both partners have to have their own income or they have to pay tax for something that is a family sharing. In my case it’s not a debt or I deliberately not paid, I simply had no idea of such thing and I will pay the tax and move on. If they deny my application for “gift tax” which I didn’t know, will mean that they were actually looking to deny the application anyway. If it was income tax, employee tax etc I would understand but gift tax? Come on. How many Finns pay gift tax in Finland? I swear I didn’t even know such thing exists for limit of 5000€ for 3 years which makes 50 euros per month lol.

Anyway, I guess I will find out soon.

Vicerg
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Vicerg » Wed Apr 28, 2021 10:52 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 6:40 pm
[quote=maskara post_id=594861 time=<a href="tel:1619550586">1619550586</a> user_id=87241]
Their questions were weird. Like “you got this much money transfer from your spouse, did you pay the gift tax on that money?” It shocked me lol. The amount is not high btw.
Tax debt can be a reason to deny the application.
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How’s that possible??? Is it only you or they ask from everyone? Because I know people they didn’t ask for that

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by akuno_hime_1412 » Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:00 pm

maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:07 pm

Can be but I had no idea about this absurd “gift tax” which is invented to skim people more. What is even more absurd, it doesn’t matter if you are family or not, if you get an amount of 5000 € total in 3 years, you have to pay gift tax.
Yeah this was what I was asking earlier about Migri questioning funds of student's. They require applicants to have 6720 per year in bank account, asked for origin of funds(if from sponsor) but never mention a single words about this gift tax if the student receive expense support from sponsor. Agree that tax office and migri operated separately but how could one new immigrant can be aware of all the taxes and regulations when they first come.

alexilaiho
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by alexilaiho » Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:32 pm

I think the tax is waived if the money is to support your education. that's why students are not taxed. l may be wrong...

betelgeuse
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by betelgeuse » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:37 pm

alexilaiho wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:32 pm
I think the tax is waived if the money is to support your education. that's why students are not taxed. l may be wrong...
It is. However, there's a catch:

"If you have a child who is studying in a foreign country, you can pay their study fees free of tax. If you transfer money directly to the bank account of the college or university, your child is not liable to pay gift tax. However, if you transfer money to your child’s bank account to cover their study fees, the gift is subject to gift tax because the money could be spent on other things."

https://www.vero.fi/en/individuals/prop ... empt_gift/

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by maskara » Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:42 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:37 pm
alexilaiho wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 12:32 pm
I think the tax is waived if the money is to support your education. that's why students are not taxed. l may be wrong...
It is. However, there's a catch:

"If you have a child who is studying in a foreign country, you can pay their study fees free of tax. If you transfer money directly to the bank account of the college or university, your child is not liable to pay gift tax. However, if you transfer money to your child’s bank account to cover their study fees, the gift is subject to gift tax because the money could be spent on other things."

https://www.vero.fi/en/individuals/prop ... empt_gift/
It’s absolute nonsense. They are just looking for “how we can get more tax”. Gift tax is not something that is mentioned by anyone (including your bank). You really need to find out by yourself. What is worse, it doesn’t matter even if it is inside family. I would understand if somebody else gives you money but your parents? Your spouse? Seriously?
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alexilaiho
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by alexilaiho » Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:26 pm

well you can just pay the gift tax, then there will be no reason to reject you application.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by betelgeuse » Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:18 am

maskara wrote:
Thu Apr 29, 2021 1:42 pm

It’s absolute nonsense. They are just looking for “how we can get more tax”. Gift tax is not something that is mentioned by anyone (including your bank). You really need to find out by yourself. What is worse, it doesn’t matter even if it is inside family. I would understand if somebody else gives you money but your parents? Your spouse? Seriously?
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Providing an info sheet on taxation to immigrants would be useful. Gift tax is connected to inheritance tax. Without a gift tax it would be quite easy to avoid inheritance taxes. Of course, one can take the stand that neither should exist. However, in Finland it makes to sense to assume any transaction involves taxation unless one knows otherwise.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by betelgeuse » Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:23 am

maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:07 pm
What is even more absurd, it doesn’t matter if you are family or not, if you get an amount of 5000 € total in 3 years, you have to pay gift tax. Which makes it clear that both partners have to have their own income or they have to pay tax for something that is a family sharing.
Partners avoid being liable for gift tax through joint accounts and the daily expenses exception.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by maskara » Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:01 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:23 am
maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:07 pm
What is even more absurd, it doesn’t matter if you are family or not, if you get an amount of 5000 € total in 3 years, you have to pay gift tax. Which makes it clear that both partners have to have their own income or they have to pay tax for something that is a family sharing.
Partners avoid being liable for gift tax through joint accounts and the daily expenses exception.
I checked that too. It says that the joint account money has to be used both parts benefit. So if one of the partner withdraw some and use for its own benefit, then gift tax comes.

I have a question though, they told me that they are waiting for my residency time to fulfill to make decision. If it’s gonna be negative based on this tax etc, would they still wait for the residency time fulfill to make negative decision?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by betelgeuse » Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:47 pm

maskara wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:01 pm
betelgeuse wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 7:23 am
maskara wrote:
Wed Apr 28, 2021 8:07 pm
What is even more absurd, it doesn’t matter if you are family or not, if you get an amount of 5000 € total in 3 years, you have to pay gift tax. Which makes it clear that both partners have to have their own income or they have to pay tax for something that is a family sharing.
Partners avoid being liable for gift tax through joint accounts and the daily expenses exception.
I checked that too. It says that the joint account money has to be used both parts benefit. So if one of the partner withdraw some and use for its own benefit, then gift tax comes.
This is not really accurate.

” What would give rise to gift tax is a situation where money in the shared account is spent for the benefit of one spouse based on a reason other than liability to provide maintenance. Such spending takes place, for example, if one of the spouses withdraws cash from the shared bank account and uses it to buy assets for personal use.”

https://www.vero.fi/en/individuals/prop ... -gift-tax/


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