My rant about Migri

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vbnfpnbikedjnuhpjn
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My rant about Migri

Post by vbnfpnbikedjnuhpjn » Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:39 am

Let's put facts straight:

- In Sweden residence permit takes 2 month (max 3 month) and just 99 euro
- The Netherlands are happy to provide you with permit in 90 days, immigrants pay lower taxes
- From 2 to 6 weeks in Germany

WTF is wrong with Migri, really? 2 years? 3 years? 4 years?

Why it's always some Yle article "oh no, Finland badly needs workers, wielders, nurses", and then Migri just @#$% you up with their:

- unfair (1500-2500 euro for a family, really?)
- unjust (oh you're from Nigeria? Get one extra year processing time!)
- biased (you can't even complain, because Migri can reject your application without any reason as a retaliation)
- and shady process (what exactly they are doing for such a long period of time, I'm pretty positive they don't call Taliban office with "hey man, could you please provide me the information card of this person, thanks, have a nice day)

No, I do believe Finnish companies don't need foreign labor neither Finnish government, otherwise this situation would never exist. Stop pretending how you're progressive and stuff, you're no different than Persusuomalaiset, you have just found a more convenient and safe way to be whatever you are.

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FinlandGirl
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Re: My rant about Migri

Post by FinlandGirl » Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:54 pm

vbnfpnbikedjnuhpjn wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:39 am
- unfair (1500-2500 euro for a family, really?)
Yes, really.

You clearly have never been to Finland.

2600 Euro is a realistic number for the minimum amount of money a family of four people needs for getting along in the capital region.
vbnfpnbikedjnuhpjn wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:39 am
Let's put facts straight:

- In Sweden residence permit takes 2 month (max 3 month) and just 99 euro
- The Netherlands are happy to provide you with permit in 90 days, immigrants pay lower taxes
- From 2 to 6 weeks in Germany

WTF is wrong with Migri, really? 2 years? 3 years? 4 years?
vbnfpnbikedjnuhpjn wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:39 am
No, I do believe Finnish companies don't need foreign labor neither Finnish government, otherwise this situation would never exist.
Let's put facts straight:
You are talking about foreign labour, but you don't have a job offer and are not employable due to lack of language skills.

Residence permits on the basis of work are processed within 4 months.

Residence permits on the basis of family ties take longer, and the first year in Finland you will spend in a language course from the employment office since you will stay unemployed until you are fluent in Finnish.

sll69523
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Re: My rant about Migri

Post by sll69523 » Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:29 pm

2600 Euro is a realistic number for the minimum amount of money a family of four people needs for getting along in the capital region.
Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm referring to the prices one needs to pay. I have a family of 4 and it's a significant amount
https://migri.fi/en/processing-fees-and-payment-methods
You clearly have never been to Finland.
I don't get what you imply there. We can meet at Kamppi mall if you want. I have been living in Finland for 3 years, I just don't understand how it's related to my post neither why you're making such assumptions about me or my experience.
Residence permits on the basis of work are processed within 4 months.
This is simply not true. You can literally search "Migri" on yle.fi and see the latest news that the backlog is growing and the residence permit processing time for people who aren't software developers or from specific countries is growing. The same goes to citizenship permits. Migri promises to fix their !"#¤% by the end of 2022, but I've already seen this statement in 2019 https://migri.fi/-/kansalaisuushakemust ... -ruuhkaa-2
You are talking about foreign labour, but you don't have a job offer and are not employable due to lack of language skills.
You are right, but in this case I just wish that Finland and Yle specifically stop declaring this "immigrants/foreign labor welcome" !"#¤%. Finnish is an extremely niche language, there's no reason anyone's supposed to speak it right from the doorsteps.
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FinlandGirl
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Re: My rant about Migri

Post by FinlandGirl » Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:51 pm

sll69523 wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:29 pm
2600 Euro is a realistic number for the minimum amount of money a family of four people needs for getting along in the capital region.
Sorry if my post was confusing, I'm referring to the prices one needs to pay. I have a family of 4 and it's a significant amount
https://migri.fi/en/processing-fees-and-payment-methods
You clearly have never been to Finland.
I don't get what you imply there. We can meet at Kamppi mall if you want. I have been living in Finland for 3 years,
What residence permit are you applying for, and how much does it cost you?

Your spouse is working or receiving unemployment benefits?

A fair point could be made that the unemployment benefits for spouses of immigrants that were introduced 10 years ago should be abolished to reduce the problem of foreign housewives, and the money could then be used for subsidising Migri more.
sll69523 wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:29 pm
Residence permits on the basis of work are processed within 4 months.
This is simply not true. You can literally search "Migri" on yle.fi and see the latest news that the backlog is growing and the residence permit processing time for people who aren't software developers or from specific countries is growing.
Specialist residence permits are a lot faster than that, 4 months is for the normal residence permits that need a partial decision from TE.

What residence permit are you applying for, and how long are you already waiting?
sll69523 wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 4:29 pm
The same goes to citizenship permits. Migri promises to fix their !"#¤% by the end of 2022, but I've already seen this statement in 2019 https://migri.fi/-/kansalaisuushakemust ... -ruuhkaa-2
This is citizenship, citizenship is not urgent since the applicants already have residence permits.

burak25
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Re: My rant about Migri

Post by burak25 » Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:31 pm

I made a post about Migri on Linkedin that got quite popular with actual representatives responding. I had also emails with them.

I AM HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT MIGRI IS REFORMING!
They will implement call back services in 2022.

What more do you want...

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Re: My rant about Migri

Post by browndude » Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:31 am

burak25 wrote:
Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:31 pm
I made a post about Migri on Linkedin that got quite popular with actual representatives responding. I had also emails with them.

I AM HAPPY TO TELL YOU THAT MIGRI IS REFORMING!
They will implement call back services in 2022.

What more do you want...
Excellent! With the crazy amount of tax that I pay, I certainly expect things to move smoother!! :lol: This is the whole point of the Nordic system. Migri has been heavily underfunded/understaffed and by publicizing these problems so successfully you have probably finally caught the attention of the politicians who decide on the funding priorities.
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Re: My rant about Migri

Post by agroot » Thu Nov 25, 2021 11:47 pm

FinlandGirl wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:51 pm
Specialist residence permits are a lot faster than that, 4 months is for the normal residence permits that need a partial decision from TE.
When I applied, 4 months was for my specialist permit in which they had nothing to ask but more like rubber-stamped a day after it's actually in processing, after being queued for 3 or 4 months.

The queue for non specialist work-based permit was one year that time. I guess they need to hire more staff and/or increase the fee to pay for that.

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Re: My rant about Migri

Post by network_engineer » Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:35 am

vbnfpnbikedjnuhpjn wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 11:39 am
... WTF is wrong with Migri, really? 2 years? 3 years? 4 years?

... Why it's always some Yle article "oh no, Finland badly needs workers, wielders, nurses", and then Migri just @#$% you up with their:
This has been an issue for many years, constantly spoken about at political venues. They seem to express an interest in improving it as Finland does somewhat have a lack of people. How true/ false, cannot say.

The issue itself: As I see it, I am unsure if it is empty words (no motivation, but need to show how the topic has attention), OR the lack of ability and competency.

Having been in business and IT performance, if one really wants to improve things, it will be improved. The old adage, "where there's a will, there's a way."

Guess what's lacking? Either it is the will OR the competence to do so. Implementing a high level of automation, e.g. clear applications involving an employer + TE decision, verified identity etc should ideally equal a quick processing and permit grant.

Other cases, e.g. where the TE decision is unclear/ unsatisfactory, or doubtful identity etc. could pass into additional scrutiny.

The first step is to get to the bottom of the issue: Is it willpower or competency?
browndude wrote:
Thu Nov 25, 2021 10:31 am
Excellent! With the crazy amount of tax that I pay, I certainly expect things to move smoother!! :lol: This is the whole point of the Nordic system. Migri has been heavily underfunded/understaffed and by publicizing these problems so successfully you have probably finally caught the attention of the politicians who decide on the funding priorities.
Agree and Spot on! The word tax has somehow been intertwined with a sense of nationalism and false pride, that is somehow a moral obligation.

I personally hold a different view: UNLESS a person is born and still a slave (owned by another), any product (=income), of their labour (physical OR mental), is the person's own. Thus, IF they are paying for something, it is not for somebody to enjoy but to fulfil the producers's needs.

Now, before you jump on to this: A person's need could be physical security (defence of the country, policing and security services), or healthcare, or an educated populace (price I'll pay for not wanting to deal with dimwits). For me, I could say that good quality healthcare with SLA, good schooling with SLA, good infrastructure with SLA etc. are things I would be willing to pay for. In contrast, just as in private organisations, poor performance and incapability: I am not obliged to pay for.

Those voicing an opinion against this, I have often found expose themselves with queried if they would be willing to pay out of their pocket for a service they don't receive. You call for a plumber, receive the bill in advance, pay for it, and an incompetent with no capabilities person shows up or does not show up at all. Would you pay? What if you went to buy a car, paid for a BMW and were handed over a Ford?
FinlandGirl wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:54 pm
Residence permits on the basis of family ties take longer, and the first year in Finland you will spend in a language course from the employment office since you will stay unemployed until you are fluent in Finnish.
For me, this seems quite a problematic statement, a predicament.

Are you advocating that Finland needs labour to do work, and then Finland pay taxes from that work, but the labour's family is not priority and is forced to pine for his family? Would a Finn accept that treatment?

Finland needs the labour to pay taxes even though Finland has not contributed to their birth to current costs, but expects them them to pay nevertheless for Finland's needs? What are the moral grounds on this?
FinlandGirl wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:54 pm
Let's put facts straight:
You are talking about foreign labour, but you don't have a job offer and are not employable due to lack of language skills.
Residence permits on the basis of work are processed within 4 months.
What are the basis for these conclusions?
FinlandGirl wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 3:54 pm
So, the data presented by the user from the Migri website in an earlier post is incorrect??? What is the basis?

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Residence permits on the basis of work are processed within 4 months
This is simply not true. You can literally search "Migri" on yle.fi and see the latest news that the backlog is growing and the residence permit processing time for people who aren't software developers or from specific countries is growing. The same goes to citizenship permits. Migri promises to fix their !"#¤% by the end of 2022, but I've already seen this statement in 2019 https://migri.fi/-/kansalaisuushakemusten-kasittelyssa-ruuhkaa-2
FinlandGirl wrote:
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:51 pm
– What residence permit are you applying for, and how much does it cost you?
– Your spouse is working or receiving unemployment benefits?
– A fair point could be made that the unemployment benefits for spouses of immigrants that were introduced 10 years ago should be abolished to reduce the problem of foreign housewives, and the money could then be used for subsidising Migri more.
The first response was quite sharp indicating that you somehow know the person and the case? The second post reveals an enquiry that contradicts the ignorance. :thumbsdown:


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