Citizenship Application 2021

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Vahid8080
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Vahid8080 » Fri Dec 03, 2021 4:59 pm

ktrnc wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:15 pm
Vahid8080 wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:24 am
Has anyone invited by the police for interview for getting finnish citizenship? Why is that dor?
Do you mean suojelupoliisi? If so, I have been. I don't know about your specific case and probably shouldn't share many details, but I can just say that there is nothing to worry or overthink about, it's a normal procedure. Just be prepared to talk to them in Finnish.

True, I have heard that they choose people randomly and they will ask general questions.



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akuno_hime_1412
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by akuno_hime_1412 » Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:12 pm

How long do applications stay in processing stage? What's the longest amount of time it could stay there?

alexilaiho
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by alexilaiho » Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:50 pm

i wonder also, my application just went to in progress.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by heretostay » Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:04 pm

akuno_hime_1412 wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 6:12 pm
How long do applications stay in processing stage? What's the longest amount of time it could stay there?
Can be anything from one hour to one year in stage 2.

akuno_hime_1412
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by akuno_hime_1412 » Fri Dec 03, 2021 11:23 pm

Mine has been staying in processing stage for weeks now. I'm guessing if it didn't get decision within a week of moving to second stage then it is likely to be months till I get the decision 😩 Also under my observation, since it moved to processing stage, the queue moves no more than 30 steps per week 🐢

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Mamu » Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:00 am

alexilaiho wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:50 pm
i wonder also, my application just went to in progress.
Hi When did you applied?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by alexilaiho » Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:48 am

Mamu wrote:
Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:00 am
alexilaiho wrote:
Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:50 pm
i wonder also, my application just went to in progress.
Hi When did you applied?
beginning of february 2021

letseatpizza
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by letseatpizza » Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:51 pm

Crazy stuff! My application was 3400+ this morning but just now it jumped to roughly 2300+. Here’s to hoping I still manage to get a decision this year!

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by akuno_hime_1412 » Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:41 am

letseatpizza wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:51 pm
Crazy stuff! My application was 3400+ this morning but just now it jumped to roughly 2300+. Here’s to hoping I still manage to get a decision this year!
Oh that’s odd, i have never seen queue number updated during the day though, at least with my application. Happens always at 3am. Are you sure there’s no typo? What’s the status of the application on enterfinland?

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by letseatpizza » Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:49 am

akuno_hime_1412 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 12:41 am
letseatpizza wrote:
Tue Dec 07, 2021 10:51 pm
Crazy stuff! My application was 3400+ this morning but just now it jumped to roughly 2300+. Here’s to hoping I still manage to get a decision this year!
Oh that’s odd, i have never seen queue number updated during the day though, at least with my application. Happens always at 3am. Are you sure there’s no typo? What’s the status of the application on enterfinland?
You’re right! I take it back. Must’ve made a typo. When I checked again today it was down like 20 applications so it looks more realistic. And it’s still waiting for processing. Apologies if I gave anyone false hope…

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by enitan2002 » Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:17 am

I don't understand why some are just so fixated on queue number. It means no sh(/&t in anyway. Don't be surprised someone who just submitted application two months ago and on 5400 queue number will receive faster decision than you who had applied over a year ago and on 1500 queue number.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by ShadowEn » Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:37 am

enitan2002 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:17 am
I don't understand why some are just so fixated on queue number. It means no sh(/&t in anyway. Don't be surprised someone who just submitted application two months ago and on 5400 queue number will receive faster decision than you who had applied over a year ago and on 1500 queue number.
I suppose it is a combination of things. On its own, the change in your queue number at least gives one the reassurance that your application has not been lost in the system. That is to say, if one didn't have the ability to check queue numbers, one would be far more anxious.

In comparison to other queue numbers, there does appear to be a trend in the data wherein queue numbers in the 2700s range correspond to applications currently being looked by a human. People are asking for queue numbers because they have noticed this. I've also noticed that if your application queue number is below this range, it is likely your case is "more complicated" and has been escalated to a more senior officer, additional interview etc. while others, who presumably have more cut and dry cases, have received a decision.

I would say that the queue number is not meaningless, but it is only one indicator of the processing time of the application. Unfortunately, it is the only definite indicator that we have access to so it is the one we talk about most (alongside the now redacted "country list", which appears to be an even larger indicator). If we could have access to the flags which indicate whether the case is more complicated, or to which employee level/group the application is assigned to, we would discuss those points as well.

I understand this is frustrating for those whose application processing time is not largely dependent on the queue number, but I don't see this changing until Migri becomes more transparent about their process.
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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by ktrnc » Wed Dec 08, 2021 1:35 pm

ShadowEn wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:37 am
enitan2002 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:17 am
I don't understand why some are just so fixated on queue number. It means no sh(/&t in anyway. Don't be surprised someone who just submitted application two months ago and on 5400 queue number will receive faster decision than you who had applied over a year ago and on 1500 queue number.
I suppose it is a combination of things. On its own, the change in your queue number at least gives one the reassurance that your application has not been lost in the system. That is to say, if one didn't have the ability to check queue numbers, one would be far more anxious.

In comparison to other queue numbers, there does appear to be a trend in the data wherein queue numbers in the 2900s range correspond to applications currently being looked by a human. People are asking for queue numbers because they have noticed this. I've also noticed that if your application queue number is below this range, it is likely your case is "more complicated" and has been escalated to a more senior officer, additional interview etc. while others, who presumably have more cut and dry cases, have received a decision.

I would say that the queue number is not meaningless, but it is only one indicator of the processing time of the application. Unfortunately, it is the only definite indicator that we have access to so it is the one we talk about most (alongside the now redacted "country list", which appears to be an even larger indicator). If we could have access to the flags which indicate whether the case is more complicated, or to which employee level/group the application is assigned to, we would discuss those points as well.

I understand this is frustrating for those whose application processing time is not largely dependent on the queue number, but I don't see this changing until Migri becomes more transparent about their process.
This. I am slightly annoyed by people who keep writing that queue number does not indicate anything and we should not be talking about it. Of course we understand that queue number is not the only indicator of when we will get our decision, and that people with higher numbers might get decisions much faster than us. But per migri, the number has a very precise meaning: "the number of people with the application of the same type who have submitted before you and are waiting for decision". This does not mean that they will get decision quicker. But at least being able to see some movement in the queue already gives us some peace of mind as it means that something is at least happening. Not being able to get any information for a year would be much more frustrating.

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by akuno_hime_1412 » Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:28 pm

ShadowEn wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:37 am
enitan2002 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:17 am
I don't understand why some are just so fixated on queue number. It means no sh(/&t in anyway. Don't be surprised someone who just submitted application two months ago and on 5400 queue number will receive faster decision than you who had applied over a year ago and on 1500 queue number.
I suppose it is a combination of things. On its own, the change in your queue number at least gives one the reassurance that your application has not been lost in the system. That is to say, if one didn't have the ability to check queue numbers, one would be far more anxious.

In comparison to other queue numbers, there does appear to be a trend in the data wherein queue numbers in the 2700s range correspond to applications currently being looked by a human. People are asking for queue numbers because they have noticed this. I've also noticed that if your application queue number is below this range, it is likely your case is "more complicated" and has been escalated to a more senior officer, additional interview etc. while others, who presumably have more cut and dry cases, have received a decision.

I would say that the queue number is not meaningless, but it is only one indicator of the processing time of the application. Unfortunately, it is the only definite indicator that we have access to so it is the one we talk about most (alongside the now redacted "country list", which appears to be an even larger indicator). If we could have access to the flags which indicate whether the case is more complicated, or to which employee level/group the application is assigned to, we would discuss those points as well.

I understand this is frustrating for those whose application processing time is not largely dependent on the queue number, but I don't see this changing until Migri becomes more transparent about their process.
Exactly, pretty well written!

Anyway is there anyone who has recently gotten a decision and what your the queue number right before that? :lol: :lol: :lol:

And if diary number is in this format: XXXX/YYY/ZZZZ
could this be the case?
  • XXXX: some numbers based on a combination of when one apply & verify identity. So if you applied in January it's likely under 1000 but if it's a freshly sent application (Nov-Dec) then it's more or less in the 10000-12000 range (?)
  • YYY: type of application - citizenship application - 3Y0(?)
  • ZZZZ: year of application, so 2020 or 2021 depending on your application.
Above is just my educated guess :D feel free to chip in any knowledge or disprove if you want.

I've been changing this XXXX number to see how other applications before/after me moves in the queue, must say that some has moved at more or less the same pace but also different.

Not any meaningful information per se but I've got way too much time on hand :roll:

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Re: Citizenship Application 2021

Post by Mrpotatis » Fri Dec 10, 2021 5:55 pm

akuno_hime_1412 wrote:
Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:28 pm
ShadowEn wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:37 am
enitan2002 wrote:
Wed Dec 08, 2021 11:17 am
I don't understand why some are just so fixated on queue number. It means no sh(/&t in anyway. Don't be surprised someone who just submitted application two months ago and on 5400 queue number will receive faster decision than you who had applied over a year ago and on 1500 queue number.
I suppose it is a combination of things. On its own, the change in your queue number at least gives one the reassurance that your application has not been lost in the system. That is to say, if one didn't have the ability to check queue numbers, one would be far more anxious.

In comparison to other queue numbers, there does appear to be a trend in the data wherein queue numbers in the 2700s range correspond to applications currently being looked by a human. People are asking for queue numbers because they have noticed this. I've also noticed that if your application queue number is below this range, it is likely your case is "more complicated" and has been escalated to a more senior officer, additional interview etc. while others, who presumably have more cut and dry cases, have received a decision.

I would say that the queue number is not meaningless, but it is only one indicator of the processing time of the application. Unfortunately, it is the only definite indicator that we have access to so it is the one we talk about most (alongside the now redacted "country list", which appears to be an even larger indicator). If we could have access to the flags which indicate whether the case is more complicated, or to which employee level/group the application is assigned to, we would discuss those points as well.

I understand this is frustrating for those whose application processing time is not largely dependent on the queue number, but I don't see this changing until Migri becomes more transparent about their process.
Exactly, pretty well written!

Anyway is there anyone who has recently gotten a decision and what your the queue number right before that? :lol: :lol: :lol:

And if diary number is in this format: XXXX/YYY/ZZZZ
could this be the case?
  • XXXX: some numbers based on a combination of when one apply & verify identity. So if you applied in January it's likely under 1000 but if it's a freshly sent application (Nov-Dec) then it's more or less in the 10000-12000 range (?)
  • YYY: type of application - citizenship application - 3Y0(?)
  • ZZZZ: year of application, so 2020 or 2021 depending on your application.
Above is just my educated guess :D feel free to chip in any knowledge or disprove if you want.

I've been changing this XXXX number to see how other applications before/after me moves in the queue, must say that some has moved at more or less the same pace but also different.

Not any meaningful information per se but I've got way too much time on hand :roll:

Haha yes those are right ! It's like the only way to know what the queue number tells and compare your number to others, or figure out if applications shortly before you or after you has been processed already....
I don't blame you. Because without much transparency about the procedure, a person needs to find some other ways to get even the smallest information. It's shame some of us has to do that to get some information that are unclear in the first place even!


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