Applying for Citizenship 2024

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TUserFin
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by TUserFin » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:03 pm

nazanin.o.karimi wrote:
What does these number really mean? I am seeing variety of numbers and am confused. Mine is 13054.. and I applied last October. I have seen smaller numbers like 61. Please can someone explain these to me? Sorry if this question is discussed before, I'm new in this forum and read all comments before this, still am confused.

How come queue number 13054 even possible? It was max 8000 recently. Do you have some special case?



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just_passing_by
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by just_passing_by » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:35 pm

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by just_passing_by » Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:50 pm

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wb26
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by wb26 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:41 am

smo wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm
phungxuanton wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:14 am
smo wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2024 12:07 pm
how long after putting the application you get a queue number?
1 day after you visit the service point
great, but what happens if I don’t have to visit a service point 😂 is my application stuck there forever? 😁

Did you ever get a queue/diary number? I submitted my application yesterday and don’t have to visit a service point, so I’m also wondering how long it takes.
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nazanin.o.karimi
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by nazanin.o.karimi » Fri Jan 12, 2024 12:14 pm

just_passing_by wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2024 6:35 pm
nazanin.o.karimi wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2024 1:55 pm
What does these number really mean? I am seeing variety of numbers and am confused. Mine is 13054.. and I applied last October. I have seen smaller numbers like 61. Please can someone explain these to me? Sorry if this question is discussed before, I'm new in this forum and read all comments before this, still am confused.
You are probably mixing diary number (AKA application unique number) and a queue number (your position in queue).
Yes I did not know how to find my queue number until yesterday. Then I chatted with Kamu and got 6xxx.

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by smo » Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:20 pm

wb26 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:41 am
smo wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm
phungxuanton wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 11:14 am


1 day after you visit the service point
great, but what happens if I don’t have to visit a service point 😂 is my application stuck there forever? 😁

Did you ever get a queue/diary number? I submitted my application yesterday and don’t have to visit a service point, so I’m also wondering how long it takes.

Hi! I applied on 7th of January and today they received my application and I got a diary number, but no queue number.

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by wb26 » Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:38 pm

smo wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:20 pm
wb26 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:41 am
smo wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm


great, but what happens if I don’t have to visit a service point 😂 is my application stuck there forever? 😁

Did you ever get a queue/diary number? I submitted my application yesterday and don’t have to visit a service point, so I’m also wondering how long it takes.

Hi! I applied on 7th of January and today they received my application and I got a diary number, but no queue number.
Okay thank you 😊 I just need to be a little more patient.

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by jokulalala » Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:53 pm

smo wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:20 pm
wb26 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:41 am
smo wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm


great, but what happens if I don’t have to visit a service point 😂 is my application stuck there forever? 😁

Did you ever get a queue/diary number? I submitted my application yesterday and don’t have to visit a service point, so I’m also wondering how long it takes.

Hi! I applied on 7th of January and today they received my application and I got a diary number, but no queue number.
It is not available immediately, you probably need to wait for a couple of days.

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by jokulalala » Fri Jan 12, 2024 5:57 pm

karhu86 wrote:
Thu Jan 11, 2024 3:27 pm
mamutti wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 8:33 pm
Hi guys

I am just wondering, if the attempts to solve the issue of the application backlogs is being somehow resolved, how come the maximum processing time doesn’t decrease, but is rather increasing? 🧐
And if the theory about that they are going “upwards” by the numbers, then how come we don’t hear from anyone applied in 2022 yet that has been waiting for more than 18 months, but less than 21 months?
I applied in October 2022, and i feel that we have been forgotten, and based on your previous reply to my question, my hopes for the 21 month deadline have dropped 😂
Have you ever checked with Migri? :? Not quite sure as I had a friend who applied 2 years ago at the same time with her husband. Her husband got the citizenship after 5 months but she waited for 10 months wo updates, even when both of them had the same background (Master students then SWE with good salary). She called or emailed to Migri (not quite remember) and it turned out she had mistakenly input that she did not have RP when first coming to Finland so they had to move her from asylum seeker to normal queue. She got decision later very quickly. Not sure if it may help your case.

TUserFin
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by TUserFin » Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:21 am

just_passing_by, my application during this night moved from 491x to 49xx, basically a drop by 12 points. When I had >5000 queue, it was moving daily by 20-25. Now, I assume, half of processing is done for applications below 5000. Do you see it on your graph?

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by verynewfinn » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:02 am

Hi everyone and a belated Happy New Year!

I’ve been reading these forums on and off over the last few months while waiting for my citizenship application to be processed. There seems to be a lot of confusion and uncertainty about how the system actually works, mainly because Migri is intentionally unclear on the subject. Based on my own experiences and on correspondence with Migri, this is what is actually happening and what you can do about it, should you choose to:

1. The queue allocation is not random. An application is allocated to a certain work queue (and yes, there is more than one). This allocation is made using assisted automation, although at the stage it is used it is essentially full automation, as there is no human involvement. The automation checks the application against the requirements for citizenship but, and this is the really important bit, it only checks some of the ways in which an applicant can legally fulfil the requirements. For example, when an automation rule checks whether an application meets the residency requirements, it only checks continuous residency and not accumulated residency. When another automation rules checks the means of support requirements, it only checks personal taxable income, and not other legally-allowed means of support. So if, for example, you have applied on the basis of continuous residency and personal taxable income your application will go into one queue with a shorter processing time, and if you have applied on the basis of accumulated residency and some other source of income it will go into another queue with a longer processing time.

2. You can find out what is happening, in detail, to your application. Migri even provides the form: https://migri.fi/en/document-and-information-requests Under the Act on the Openness of Government Activities you have the right to your diary entry showing what has happened to your application.

3. Migri has a duty to act lawfully and to treat applications equally. You can read all the relevant laws on the Finlex site https://www.finlex.fi/en/ (including the act mentioned above) and decide whether you think what Migri is doing in your case is lawful. If you think it isn’t, and are prepared to argue persuasively and persistently for your legal rights, you can dramatically speed up the processing of your application. (I did.)

Each case is individual, of course, and the automated queue allocation process does not explain all of the differences in processing times, but I hope this helps at least some of you who are wondering, like I was, why your seemingly straightforward application is taking so long to process while others are decided so much more quickly.

The persistently-arguing-with-Migri stage of my application has been pretty exhausting, and I hope you’ll understand that, now that I have received my positive decision, I’m keen to put it all behind me now so won’t be returning here to respond to any comments, but I wish you all success in your applications!

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by just_passing_by » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:04 am

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TUserFin
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by TUserFin » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:20 am

just_passing_by wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:04 am
TUserFin wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:21 am
just_passing_by, my application during this night moved from 491x to 49xx, basically a drop by 12 points. When I had >5000 queue, it was moving daily by 20-25.
IMO, nothing will really change in a matter of week.
Also, I would measure processing speed of your application over a multiple days/weeks, not over a single day. Because if you check some single day the processing speed may fluctuate.
TUserFin wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:21 am
Now, I assume, half of processing is done for applications below 5000. Do you see it on your graph?
Sorry, I do not understand what you mean.
If you want to know how far your application in the queue then you should just check the "slider" which Kamu chatbot shows you. It is pretty accurate in terms of queue position.
However, if you application at, for example, 50% after ~6 months of waiting, this does not mean that the rest 50% will be processed over next ~6 months. It will take much longer.

Otherwise, here is a peek into this week's data:
Total processed ~157 applications
Applications processed with queue number >4000: 122
Which is 78% of total processed applications
Migri processed applications roughly around 9300-9600/310/2023 diary numbers

Thanks, this looks like is great news (at least for me) that migri is processing a lot of application between 4000 and 5000. That migri dairy number might work thay after reaching 00 it will go back to 7x

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by smo » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:32 am

smo wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:20 pm
wb26 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:41 am
smo wrote:
Wed Jan 10, 2024 6:19 pm


great, but what happens if I don’t have to visit a service point 😂 is my application stuck there forever? 😁

Did you ever get a queue/diary number? I submitted my application yesterday and don’t have to visit a service point, so I’m also wondering how long it takes.

Hi! I applied on 7th of January and today they received my application and I got a diary number, but no queue number.
An update on this: Now I have my queue number as well. It is something like 88xx

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by wb26 » Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:53 am

smo wrote:
Sat Jan 13, 2024 11:32 am
smo wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 4:20 pm
wb26 wrote:
Fri Jan 12, 2024 8:41 am



Did you ever get a queue/diary number? I submitted my application yesterday and don’t have to visit a service point, so I’m also wondering how long it takes.
Hi! I applied on 7th of January and today they received my application and I got a diary number, but no queue number.
An update on this: Now I have my queue number as well. It is something like 88xx
Amazing! I hope for fast processing for your application!


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