Applying for Citizenship 2024

[Auringon_kukka]

Hi,

Last week my long wait was finally over and I got my positive decision.
Applied 1.7.2022 at Kuopio, so it took almost 2y for me - quite disappointing long time however during the processing it became clear why I was in the long queue.
My application moved to Processing in mid May, so pretty close to the 23m deadline and the reason for the long wait became apparent: there was an issue with my permanent address during the last 4 years and I need to admit that it was my fault of missing an update to DVV.
So, that pushed me to the long queue and required some clarification / answering to the information requests.
At the end it was fully clarified and decision was issued last week.

I wish positive decisions coming for all soon and especially for 2022 applicants as I do know how irritating the 2y wait is.

Congratulations !!!

Your experience tells me that I am moving closer (applied around mid-August 2022). I can only hope .

[Auringon_kukka]

Hi ! Is anyone know about imigri service point of visit for identify does it effects the late for processing because I am waiting still 26month almost I was at Helsinki Malmi service point is this cause for the late ? I didn't get any automatic email this month make me to wait it is really not fair

Not sure if service point location has any effect on processing times. I feel for you (I applied around mid-August 2022). Our time will come, eventually .

[quillcentaur]

Hi ! Is anyone know about imigri service point of visit for identify does it effects the late for processing because I am waiting still 26month almost I was at Helsinki Malmi service point is this cause for the late ? I didn't get any automatic email this month make me to wait it is really not fair

Service point itself doesn't affect based on what we've learned about the long queue. There could be a number of reasons why you're on the long queue though.

[poromiess]

Hi ! Is anyone know about my case I am waiting still waiting for decision and my baby had born. I had join my baby to my application already but now it’s turning my baby 2 month . My question is do I can wait until decision or I should apply resident permit to her I still not requested from my home country passport or birth certificate to her. My waiting time is already 26month for now still no any decision from imigri . In my case anyone can advise that what I should do ?I will be so glad to here it thank you

This can be reason for delay in your case. My friend had same type of case as you. Had baby and added to application after birth. Migri tell her to send copy of baby passport when asking for additional information on citizenship application stage 2. She and baby get positive decision from Migri when baby was 5 months old and it was next day after sending scan of baby passport. I would suggest that you also apply for passport for your baby from your home country. You anyway will need it when you apply for residence permit for your baby which is required to do before the baby is 3 months old.

[quillcentaur]

Is the " Waiting for processing" automatic email off this month?

I had one 5 days ago.

I still haven't received it for this month, even though I was consistently receiving them before. Hope my application didn't fall through the cracks I'm now on my fifth month (almost sixth) of waiting and some people with similar nationality as me said they got decision within 5 months so fingers crossed it's coming soon.

[ubugumbra]

Did anyone get an automatic decision?
Do we have any confirmation that such decision can be made for non-eu/ non-eea citizens?

[jonathan_09]

Did anyone get an automatic decision?
Do we have any confirmation that such decision can be made for non-eu/ non-eea citizens?

Practically and based on what I know. EU/EAA citizens or countries who have close cooperation with Finland are more likely to get automatic decisions due to the fact that data transfer is much easier between those countries.

[ubugumbra]

Did anyone get an automatic decision?
Do we have any confirmation that such decision can be made for non-eu/ non-eea citizens?

Practically and based on what I know. EU/EAA citizens or countries who have close cooperation with Finland are more likely to get automatic decisions due to the fact that data transfer is much easier between those countries.

Are some countries known already as having a “close cooperation with Finland” but not eu/eea?
Are we aware of any non-eu/non-eea citizens who got an automatic decision already?

[jonathan_09]

Did anyone get an automatic decision?
Do we have any confirmation that such decision can be made for non-eu/ non-eea citizens?

Practically and based on what I know. EU/EAA citizens or countries who have close cooperation with Finland are more likely to get automatic decisions due to the fact that data transfer is much easier between those countries.

Are some countries known already as having a “close cooperation with Finland” but not eu/eea?
Are we aware of any non-eu/non-eea citizens who got an automatic decision already?

Yep for example some East-European countries have close cooperation with Finland in terms of Data transmission such as Albania
I know a case of my brother’s friend from Albania who was issued a decision in last month shortly after receiving the diary number.
But I can understand that Albania is candidate for EU and have many agreements with EU countries related to data transmission.

[betelgeuse]

Did anyone get an automatic decision?
Do we have any confirmation that such decision can be made for non-eu/ non-eea citizens?

Practically and based on what I know. EU/EAA citizens or countries who have close cooperation with Finland are more likely to get automatic decisions due to the fact that data transfer is much easier between those countries.

According to the Migri documentation the only international database they use is the Schengen Information System. Your comment is hogwash.

[MAR1]

Any information who is receiving replies nowadays?
Last thing I heard was 1/2 weeks ago for someone who applied in early November 2023, any other updates?

[jonathan_09]

Did anyone get an automatic decision?
Do we have any confirmation that such decision can be made for non-eu/ non-eea citizens?

Practically and based on what I know. EU/EAA citizens or countries who have close cooperation with Finland are more likely to get automatic decisions due to the fact that data transfer is much easier between those countries.

According to the Migri documentation the only international database they use is the Schengen Information System. Your comment is hogwash.

Give me the source of your stupid comment that Migri uses only Shengen information system as the only international base for automated processing or remove your stupid comment.
You’re just angry and jealous because I received my decision and helping and answering questions.

And let me add you something. There is an agreement between Finland and United states for data transmission. Means that Migri can obtain data from American citizens. And this is mentioned in the Interior ministry website.
Except if you believe that the United States is a shengen country. (I guess you do )

Stupid person

[jonathan_09]

Any information who is receiving replies nowadays?
Last thing I heard was 1/2 weeks ago for someone who applied in early November 2023, any other updates?

Now we are in June after the midsummer. Most officers and migri staff are in vacation at the moment. And probably the situation will continue until August. This is the slowest time in making decisions.

[betelgeuse]

Practically and based on what I know. EU/EAA citizens or countries who have close cooperation with Finland are more likely to get automatic decisions due to the fact that data transfer is much easier between those countries.

According to the Migri documentation the only international database they use is the Schengen Information System. Your comment is hogwash.

Give me the source of your stupid comment that Migri uses only Shengen information system for automated decisions or remove your stupid comment.
You’re just angry and jealous because I received my decision and helping and answering questions.

And let me add you something. There is an agreement between Finland and United states for data transmission. Means that Migri can obtain data from American citizens. And this is mentioned in the Interior ministry website.
Except if you believe that the United States is a shengen country. (I guess you do )

Stupid person

I referenced the document ”Käsittelysääntöjen ylätason kuvaus - kansalaisuushakemukset” version 1.0. I asked for it via public access request since they are legally requirement to maintain detailed documentation. It says in 4.4: ”Automaattisen ratkaisumenettelyn suunnittelussa on otettu lähtökohdaksi, että hyödynnetään pääasiassa kansallisia rekistereitä tietolähteinä.” It goes on then to list the data sources and the only international request is to SIS II.

”Viranomaisen on varmistettava, että automaattisen ratkaisumenettelyn käsittelysäännöt dokumentoidaan riittävän selkeästi ja kattavasti niin, että niiden lainmukaisuus voidaan osoittaa.”

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/ ... 06#L6aP28a

[ubugumbra]

According to the Migri documentation the only international database they use is the Schengen Information System. Your comment is hogwash.

Give me the source (…)

I referenced the document ”Käsittelysääntöjen ylätason kuvaus - kansalaisuushakemukset” version 1.0. I asked for it via public access request since they are legally requirement to maintain detailed documentation. It says in 4.4: ”Automaattisen ratkaisumenettelyn suunnittelussa on otettu lähtökohdaksi, että hyödynnetään pääasiassa kansallisia rekistereitä tietolähteinä.” It goes on then to list the data sources and the only international request is to SIS II.

”Viranomaisen on varmistettava, että automaattisen ratkaisumenettelyn käsittelysäännöt dokumentoidaan riittävän selkeästi ja kattavasti niin, että niiden lainmukaisuus voidaan osoittaa.”

https://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/ajantasa/ ... 06#L6aP28a

That’s very interesting. Thank you for sharing!

That sadly makes the rapid decision for an Albanian citizen confusing; maybe it was not automated after all. Fast processing can happen occasionally too. There were some Russian citizens who received decisions in 3 weeks and in 2 months, well before automatic decisions were implemented.