Applying for Citizenship 2024

[sammyghyft]

Hi ! I like to share what I got email reply from imigri I was I asked them why my application late almost 27month and give me a estimate time when will be process so they reply me this
Hakemuksesi odottaa vielä käsittelyä. Pyydämme sinua odottamaan rauhassa päätöstä ja seuraamaan hakemuksesi käsittelyä Enter Finland tililtäsi. Maahanmuuttovirasto on sinuun tarvittaessa yhteydessä. Valitettavasti kansalaisuushakemusten käsittely on ruuhkautunut ja arvioitu käsittelyaika hakemuksellesi on 31 kuukautta, käsittelyaika lasketaan siitä päivästä, kun kävit tunnistautumassa palvelupisteellä.



Huomaathan että lapsesi oleskeluluvan ja passin tulee olla myös voimassa sillä hetkellä kun kansalaisuushakemukseen tehdään päätös. Hae lapsellesi oleskelulupaa mahdollisimman pian. Täältä löydät ohjeet hakemukselle:


I like to aske anyone here can say that can I apply only resident permit for my baby it's cost again 260 Euro
I don't want to request the passport from my home country because I want to keep baby Finland citizenship
If I request my home country passport it's long process and I should pay for it it's cost me much I have to fly Sweden lot of things so I ask here if anyone can say I can apply only resident permit with her birth certificate?
Please advise me
Thank you

One more thing I like to request everyone here do not apply from Helsinki imigri apply it outside Helsinki that your process work quick now I have to wait for 31month

In simple words:

Please understand that if you want your baby to get Finnish citizenship, you must have her passport and a valid Finnish residence permit (RP) for Migri to process the application.

Migri won't process the application without a valid passport and RP.

You are missing important information. It's not a choice; these documents are required, and your application will be delayed if your baby is a co-applicant.

I recall that you asked about this earlier, and I'm surprised you still assume Migri will process and grant citizenship without a valid RP and passport.

Even her RP will not get processed without valid passport. If you apply for RP only.

Take it seriously!

Regards,

Is it really the case? I applied in December and my son already has an alien passport issued by migri and a resident permit. We applied for the residence permit and alien passport on the same day we applied for the citizenship and now both the residence permit and alien passport are ready. Now I want to ask if that is enough or I should still go ahead and apply for my own country passport for him.

[betelgeuse]

In simple words:

Please understand that if you want your baby to get Finnish citizenship, you must have her passport and a valid Finnish residence permit (RP) for Migri to process the application.

Migri won't process the application without a valid passport and RP.

You are missing important information. It's not a choice; these documents are required, and your application will be delayed if your baby is a co-applicant.

I recall that you asked about this earlier, and I'm surprised you still assume Migri will process and grant citizenship without a valid RP and passport.

Even her RP will not get processed without valid passport. If you apply for RP only.

Is it really the case? I applied in December and my son already has an alien passport issued by migri and a resident permit. We applied for the residence permit and alien passport on the same day we applied for the citizenship and now both the residence permit and alien passport are ready. Now I want to ask if that is enough or I should still go ahead and apply for my own country passport for him.

Citizenship can be given without a passport as long as Migri can establish identity. For a baby born in Finland the paper trail is likely to be sufficient. If they need the passport, they will give you the opportunity to submit it.

https://migri.fi/en/establishment-of-identity

[sammyghyft]

In simple words:

Please understand that if you want your baby to get Finnish citizenship, you must have her passport and a valid Finnish residence permit (RP) for Migri to process the application.

Migri won't process the application without a valid passport and RP.

You are missing important information. It's not a choice; these documents are required, and your application will be delayed if your baby is a co-applicant.

I recall that you asked about this earlier, and I'm surprised you still assume Migri will process and grant citizenship without a valid RP and passport.

Even her RP will not get processed without valid passport. If you apply for RP only.

Is it really the case? I applied in December and my son already has an alien passport issued by migri and a resident permit. We applied for the residence permit and alien passport on the same day we applied for the citizenship and now both the residence permit and alien passport are ready. Now I want to ask if that is enough or I should still go ahead and apply for my own country passport for him.

Citizenship can be given without a passport as long as Migri can establish identity. For a baby born in Finland the paper trail is likely to be sufficient. If they need the passport, they will give you the opportunity to submit it.

https://migri.fi/en/establishment-of-identity

Thank you for this

[kunglao]

Migri won't process the application without a valid passport and RP.

This might just depend on the age of the baby and if they were born in Finland. My few weeeks old child born in Finland got citizenship without a passport or RP. Migri explicitly told us that passport is not required for the case.

[sammyghyft]

Migri won't process the application without a valid passport and RP.

This might just depend on the age of the baby and if they were born in Finland. My few weeeks old child born in Finland got citizenship without a passport or RP. Migri explicitly told us that passport is not required for the case.

Yes my son was born here. He was only three months old when we applied for the citizenship. He now has a permit and an aliens passport issued by Finland

[Dreamheart]

Can apply for my baby alian passport until my decision come they have give me time still need for processing 31 it's almost going to be 28month please advise it if I apply now my baby my home country passport. Then they will give me citizenship then my country passport will be not valid for my baby that's what I don't want to wast my time and money on it ?

[sillygoose]

Can apply for my baby alian passport until my decision come they have give me time still need for processing 31 it's almost going to be 28month please advise it if I apply now my baby my home country passport. Then they will give me citizenship then my country passport will be not valid for my baby that's what I don't want to wast my time and money on it ?

Seems to me that there is no way around it. Migri’s quite explicit that you have to get your baby’s passport and RP to get things moving. Getting those isn’t a waste of time and money since they are essential to your case.

[Guess.who]

Can apply for my baby alian passport until my decision come they have give me time still need for processing 31 it's almost going to be 28month please advise it if I apply now my baby my home country passport. Then they will give me citizenship then my country passport will be not valid for my baby that's what I don't want to wast my time and money on it ?

Most likely, they are not handling your application due to the missing documents and have placed it in a long processing queue as a result.

There is a proper section in the citizenship application for co-applicants, which includes information such as current citizenship, nationality, passport validity, etc.

As far as I understand, a passport is not required or mandatory only for refugees, who need some kind of document to establish their identity. By default, their application process is longer than normal. (I could be wrong here.)

Having all necessary details and documents makes your life and Migri’s work much easier.

I wouldn't be surprised if they reject the application due to the missing documents, especially considering you had 27 months to provide them.


Hope this helps!

[betelgeuse]

Can apply for my baby alian passport until my decision come they have give me time still need for processing 31 it's almost going to be 28month please advise it if I apply now my baby my home country passport. Then they will give me citizenship then my country passport will be not valid for my baby that's what I don't want to wast my time and money on it ?

Seems to me that there is no way around it. Migri’s quite explicit that you have to get your baby’s passport and RP to get things moving. Getting those isn’t a waste of time and money since they are essential to your case.

An Alien's passport can be enough as shown in my earlier comment. However, not everyone is eligible for that document.

https://migri.fi/en/alien-s-passport

Basically what is actually required is RP and with that one needs to maintain a valid travel document. Usually this means home country passport but not always. Citizenship can be given without a travel document if identity can be established.

I wouldn't be surprised if they reject the application due to the missing documents, especially considering you had 27 months to provide them.

If a document is required but missing, they are required to give notice to supplement the application instead of directly rejecting it.

[sammyghyft]

Before we had the interruption in Kami chatbot we had people from middle of November who have gotten their decisions but since then we've heard nothing. Is it the summer holidays or what? I can't seem to understand why no one seem to have gotten any decision in recent times. I'm from the first week of December 2023. Keeping my fingers crossed.

[TUserFin]

Before we had the interruption in Kami chatbot we had people from middle of November who have gotten their decisions but since then we've heard nothing. Is it the summer holidays or what? I can't seem to understand why no one seem to have gotten any decision in recent times. I'm from the first week of December 2023. Keeping my fingers crossed.

As it looks like, migri started to process old applications. Read previous messages - migri works and have increased capacity in 2022 applications processing. If this trend continues, everyone will start to get decisions at the same time. If that is the case, the migri system will become fairer, and this is what most people on this forum who wait 1+ year want. But we never know what is really happening. But trust me, as a person who has finnish wife, who makes salary above most of Finns, and was employed every single day here on high compensation, and who lives here almost 9 years and waits 12 months already, I cannot understand why so many people with lower income, recent students etc should get a citezenship almost a year faster than me. Note, I didn't say that I should get it faster as well. I the social socieity we should get it afrer the same time.

[hakija]

I became a Finnish citizen!

Applied 31.5.2023
Visited Migri 1.6.2023
Decision 18.7.2024

So I waited for 13 months and a half.

I'm from a visa-free non-EU country. I applied for my first residence permit based on family ties while already in Finland. After only 1 month I got the first residence permit.

I applied for the permanent residence permit around the same time that I applied for citizenship, because in case the citizenship application would take too long to be processed (and it did) at least I'd feel more stable having the permit. I got the permanent residence permit in 4 months and I really think it was worth it, but I'll also be happy to return it to Migri when they send me the envelope.

So yes, Migri is working normally. I was ready to wait for 23 months or more, I had somehow accepted already that I'd be one of those cases, but thankfully my wait is over and I'll never have to deal with Migri again!

Wish everyone good luck!

[betelgeuse]

If that is the case, the migri system will become fairer, and this is what most people on this forum who wait 1+ year want. But we never know what is really happening.

You can get an explanation after the fact by making a complaint to the Parliamentary Ombusdman about too long processing times.

https://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/kantelu-o ... iamiehelle

[MilaR]

I received a positive decision today! I was at identity proving meeting on 03.04.2023, service point in Kuopio. Initial queue was 68xx, year later35xx. Diary number 27xx/310/2023. I got a permanent resident permit in 05.2024 as my temporary was about to expire. I'm in Finland because of marriage, originally from Russia, been on Kela for about a year after arrival, then worked an office job since 2020. Honestly I didn't expect it gonna take me 15 months but happy that it's over now!

Fun fact! Based on email notifications, stage 2 started today at 7.17 am and decision was made 30 minutes later.

Good luck everyone who's still waiting! You will get there!

[kunglao]

I didn't know that Migri also works on Saturdays. Congratulations you two. Reading these decision announcements always feels good.