Do you have to serve Finnish Army as a naturalized citizen?

[Russian]

Let's put it this way....

Which side of these conflicts has generally had it's "history" totally trumped by all other historians?
Soviet side. I think it had something to do with immense desire to have their "history" be ideologically correct.

So how come both sides attacked each other and both sides neglected their treaties but it is Russia that is ultimately evil in the end?
Does Finland have to be reminded of what a mess the Finnish Civil War was? How they killed and tortured their own kin like dogs?
Does anyone have to be reminded that the puppet government set up by USSR were the same finnish people?
Is there any country in the world without dark patches in history and without government lies?
Does 70 years of USSR make every russian a liar? Does the fact that Finland sided with Germany make every finn a fascist?
Do I have to spread hate for Germans, Finland, Sweden and all the countries that have attacked Russia as onkko does?
I hope Russia never attacks Finland and not only because I am partly finnish, partly russian.
But if that happens I hope that there is a line of agents of revived KGB to own asses of people such as onkko and Hank.

Voi helevetin russä. You are one who invaded finland, you are one who attacked civilians in lapland, you are one to blame.
You are one who killed my grandmothers family, what in hell 6 year old gird did to you? you executed him and his family.
You are one to blame, you attacked and you deserve whatever you got from that attack.
Pietari? oh i really hoped finnish would terminate that whole place, too bad finnish are too kind to do that. Russians are no good non believelable and almost non human.
There is no way anyone rightminded finnish would trust russian.
Buy better books and accept a fact that youre invader.
End of rant, and yes i hate russians.

I am truly sorry for your grandmothers family.
But tell me, do you go blind when your turn on the lights or otherwise use electicity imported from Russia?
Does your ass burn when you wipe it with paper made from russian lumber?
Do you vomit when you see oil bought from Russia?
Why do you depend or Russia's resources so much? Where is your pride?
If Russia is such an enemy of yours as you say, then your whole rant looks like and attempt to bite while sucking your enemy dick...

[debonaire]

Let's put it this way....

Which side of these conflicts has generally had it's "history" totally trumped by all other historians?
Soviet side. I think it had something to do with immense desire to have their "history" be ideologically correct.

So how come both sides attacked each other and both sides neglected their treaties but it is Russia that is ultimately evil in the end?
Does Finland have to be reminded of what a mess the Finnish Civil War was? How they killed and tortured their own kin like dogs?
Does anyone have to be reminded that the puppet government set up by USSR were the same finnish people?
Is there any country in the world without dark patches in history and without government lies?
Does 70 years of USSR make every russian a liar? Does the fact that Finland sided with Germany make every finn a fascist?
Do I have to spread hate for Germans, Finland, Sweden and all the countries that have attacked Russia as onkko does?
I hope Russia never attacks Finland and not only because I am partly finnish, partly russian.
But if that happens I hope that there is a line of agents of revived KGB to own asses of people such as onkko and Hank.

Voi helevetin russä. You are one who invaded finland, you are one who attacked civilians in lapland, you are one to blame.
You are one who killed my grandmothers family, what in hell 6 year old gird did to you? you executed him and his family.
You are one to blame, you attacked and you deserve whatever you got from that attack.
Pietari? oh i really hoped finnish would terminate that whole place, too bad finnish are too kind to do that. Russians are no good non believelable and almost non human.
There is no way anyone rightminded finnish would trust russian.
Buy better books and accept a fact that youre invader.
End of rant, and yes i hate russians.

I am truly sorry for your grandmothers family.
But tell me, do you go blind when your turn on the lights or otherwise use electicity imported from Russia?
Does your ass burn when you wipe it with paper made from russian lumber?
Do you vomit when you see oil bought from Russia?
Why do you depend or Russia's resources so much? Where is your pride?
If Russia is such an enemy of yours as you say, then your whole rant looks like and attempt to bite while sucking your enemy dick...

My goodness...You nailed this argument...Now i would desperately wait for Onkko to see what kind of arguments he could come up with to counter the issues you raised

[Hank W.]

So how come both sides attacked each other and both sides neglected their treaties but it is Russia that is ultimately evil in the end?

Because they started the war - Maybe excused as a pre-emptive move but nevertheless the expansionist policies of the USSR didn't stop until well after the Komintern was disbanded.

Is there any country in the world without dark patches in history and without government lies?

Probably not, but Russia excels in the quantity and quality of "official government truths".

Does your ass burn when you wipe it with paper made from russian lumber?

...that explains it.

[blaugrau]

Bei dir piept's wohl.

[Hank W.]

Shut up, you lost the war. USSR won, but we came in a good second

[blaugrau]

Armleuchter.

[Hank W.]

[Sulka]

I am truly sorry for your grandmothers family.
But tell me, do you go blind when your turn on the lights or otherwise use electicity imported from Russia?
Does your ass burn when you wipe it with paper made from russian lumber?
Do you vomit when you see oil bought from Russia?
Why do you depend or Russia's resources so much? Where is your pride?
If Russia is such an enemy of yours as you say, then your whole rant looks like and attempt to bite while sucking your enemy dick...

Don't they say that mutual trade is the best way to keep peace in the future ? Honestly, I'd not take it as a sign of "oral pleasing". After all, trade benefits both, it's not about doing favours. If one would want to, one could say Finland is using the wealth that we have for not having ended up with Soviet-type cultural baggage to buy materials cheaply from our neighbouring country that is unfortunately full of poor people and structures of power that do not care to direct the profits to those poor poeple. But that would be taking part in this pissing contest, wouldn't it ?

Besides, there actually are "war-legacy-carrying" Finns who refuse to buy Russian products even today. But the actions of a country as a whole and the actions of particular citizens are not the same thing.

[glorius]

Why do the russian books lie but finnish books tell truth?.

Because the authors are liars. USSR is known to have had quite inventive history writing. Like Katyn murders, Mainila artillery... you name it.

Just wonder, what does Finnish propaganda say about Finnish prisoner camps in Eastern Karelia for ethnic Russians? Do you have any statistics how many of them were executed or died of starvation and diseases?

[Hank W.]

Just wonder, what does Finnish propaganda say about Finnish prisoner camps in Eastern Karelia for ethnic Russians?

Just wonder, do you know that photo with the well fed kids was staged a week after the Finns had left Petrozavodsk? And Karelia was full of Gulags to start with so I don't see whats the moral objection? The mortality rate was high during the initial period as the USSR troops had destroyed most everything during their retreat, buildings and supplies, and there was a famine in Finland as well. And there was a serious outbreak of typhus due to bad hygiene as peoples houses had been burned so they had to cram into the city. The population of the occupied area was... 88 000 of which "non-finnic" was some 50 000, the population of the camps was at its height 24 000, and the mortality rate was 4500. This is off a book "Suomi miehittäjänä 1941-44" by Helge Seppälä and as he's been accused of relating communist propaganda I'd think the figures aren't put down.

[glorius]

Just wonder, what does Finnish propaganda say about Finnish prisoner camps in Eastern Karelia for ethnic Russians?

Just wonder, do you know that photo with the well fed kids was staged a week after the Finns had left Petrozavodsk?

Perhaps it was propaganda photo, but it doesn't contradict that fact that a lot of Russians (including children) were died in Finnish prisoner camps and that war wasn't as noble as many Finns think. You have mentioned Gulags - everybody knows everything about that and about Stalin's crimes and that he killed much more Russians than Finns did.

[glorius]

Just wonder, what does Finnish propaganda say about Finnish prisoner camps in Eastern Karelia for ethnic Russians?

Just wonder, do you know that photo with the well fed kids was staged a week after the Finns had left Petrozavodsk?

Perhaps it was propaganda photo, but it doesn't contradict that fact that a lot of Russians (including children) were died in Finnish prisoner camps and that war wasn't as noble as many Finns think. You have mentioned Gulags - everybody knows everything about that and about Stalin's crimes and that he killed much more Russians than Finns did.

[Hank W.]

but it doesn't contradict that fact that a lot of Russians (including children) were died in Finnish prisoner camps

Nobody denies that, theres actually a pretty extensive research done on the subject. Maybe Stalin shouldn't have started the war, so he could have killed them himself.

Do you have any statistics how many of them were executed or died of starvation and diseases?

Ah, here it is, also in Russian language http://kronos.narc.fi/karelija/karelija.html
So 19 shot. One executed for murder, 12 seem to be "during escape" and the rest just say shot.

The main page has all the POW statistics and people deported to Germany or USSR http://www.narc.fi/Arkistolaitos/luovutukset/index.html

Oh, and theres also an extensive research done on the 1918-1922 deaths http://vesta.narc.fi/cgi-bin/db2www/sot ... sivu/stat2

[glorius]

Maybe Stalin shouldn't have started the war, so he could have killed them himself.

Nobody knows "what if...". Maybe if WW1 didn't start, Finland won't get an independence, Estonia was never "occupied" and Stalin just continue to rob the banks in Georgia.

[Hank W.]

One Vissarionovits Dzhugasvili should not have been kicked out of the priest academy, and he'd become the pope of Georgia.