Citizenship Application 2023

[37yqp8098y5]

I agree, it will be a hassle if you have to provide information on all your overseas trips for work purposes. However, given that the trips were for work, the volume of travel isn't likely to raise eyebrows. Does your employer have some sort of agenda/planner that records all of those trips? A simple list of dates (date of departure/date of return/purpose) will suffice for migri's purposes, if ever their website gets back up and running .

I've worked in 3 different jobs in the last 19 months (Usually I swap once every 12 months to increase salary by another ~1000€/kk)
Unfortunately there's not going to be some centralized place of info for my trips. I should probably have taken better care of that but it really shouldn't matter in this case. I haven't stayed out of the country for longer than about 2 weeks at a time. I have copies of at least 80% of the tickets in my email address at at least. It's just going to be a PITA if I need to organize them.

Technically they really should be able to see people exiting the country themselves. In New Zealand, as soon as you leave, if you are eg. on unemployment benefits. The moment you get on a plane and leave the country (even for a trip that lasts only 2 days) they freeze everything immediately. Immigration dept. shares all information automatically with the social security system for example.

[FinlandGirl]

Technically they really should be able to see people exiting the country themselves.

How should they see this?

Schengen has open borders, there is no border control when you walk from Tornio to Haparanda.

[astrom]

Technically they really should be able to see people exiting the country themselves.

How should they see this?

Schengen has open borders, there is no border control when you walk from Tornio to Haparanda.

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/polic ... -system_en

If you didn't know, now you know.

[FinlandGirl]

Technically they really should be able to see people exiting the country themselves.

How should they see this?

Schengen has open borders, there is no border control when you walk from Tornio to Haparanda.

https://home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/polic ... -system_en

If you didn't know, now you know.

Now I know that you don't have a clue.

Does SIS contain personal data on all European citizens and residents?

No, SIS does not contain personal data on all European citizens or residents.

The system only contains data on people and objects wanted by the competent public authorities in EU countries and Schengen associated countries. EU law regulates which personal data can be stored and for what purposes. EU law also regulates the period during which data may be stored in SIS and when the data must be deleted.

[browndude]

I agree, it will be a hassle if you have to provide information on all your overseas trips for work purposes. However, given that the trips were for work, the volume of travel isn't likely to raise eyebrows. Does your employer have some sort of agenda/planner that records all of those trips? A simple list of dates (date of departure/date of return/purpose) will suffice for migri's purposes, if ever their website gets back up and running .

I've worked in 3 different jobs in the last 19 months (Usually I swap once every 12 months to increase salary by another ~1000€/kk)
Unfortunately there's not going to be some centralized place of info for my trips. I should probably have taken better care of that but it really shouldn't matter in this case. I haven't stayed out of the country for longer than about 2 weeks at a time. I have copies of at least 80% of the tickets in my email address at at least. It's just going to be a PITA if I need to organize them.

Technically they really should be able to see people exiting the country themselves. In New Zealand, as soon as you leave, if you are eg. on unemployment benefits. The moment you get on a plane and leave the country (even for a trip that lasts only 2 days) they freeze everything immediately. Immigration dept. shares all information automatically with the social security system for example.

You swap jobs every 12 months for an extra 1000€/kk?? I too would love to have such salary increases - but this is somewhat unusual in Finland. Are you working as a contractor or do you have an employment contract with the new employer each time? What exactly is it that do you do? It seems you skills are would be very valuable for Suomi and it is indeed unacceptable that your case has been dragging on for so long!

[37yqp8098y5]

You swap jobs every 12 months for an extra 1000€/kk?? I too would love to have such salary increases - but this is somewhat unusual in Finland.

It's not always exactly an extra 1k€ but that's the ballpark. Last time I jumped my salary €1.6k/kk swapping from one job to another. It's only unusual because people in this country don't know how to market themselves and have no aggression in negotiating their salary. They would also rather sit in a single company for 21 years and make 5x less per month because they're scared about job security and treat their job as a replacement for having a real life.

I'm a DevSecOps Consultant. I've worked for multinational companies and small startups. Generally can triple can double or triple a company's EBITDA which means I can ask a competitively high salary. I still make less than most Full Stack Devs but then I am also not doing 5 people's jobs at once and not working as a one man army. Though I am paying 40% tax...

Companies will always have more money to pay a new employee higher salary than what they have to give raises. So I leave whenever I get a better job offer, most times when I leave after getting an offer I can't refuse. Generally I get between 15-20 job offers on LinkedIn per week. Depending on the market I'll open my own company sometime in the future. Thanks to covid/war/recession, haven't been able to do that.

In short yeah I could probably halve the time Migri takes on these applications. However, they'll never spend money on me when they can pocket that €450 per application and run the service at a bare minimum standard.

Ontopic: Hopefully they fix this embarrassing issue tomorrow... Hasn't worked all day today either. They also didn't answer my emails...

[another_one]

Ontopic: Hopefully they fix this embarrassing issue tomorrow... Hasn't worked all day today either. They also didn't answer my emails...

Enterfinland did not work for me whole day, but I was just able to log in there. Perhaps it will work for you too

[Auringon_kukka]

Ontopic: Hopefully they fix this embarrassing issue tomorrow... Hasn't worked all day today either. They also didn't answer my emails...

Enterfinland did not work for me whole day, but I was just able to log in there. Perhaps it will work for you too

Can confirm, Enterfinland is working again.

[Guess.who]

Finally got my decision
Applied on 28.3.23,
Visit migri: 4.4.2023
Satge 2 : 31.8.2023;
Queue number 45xx,
Decision: 12.9.2023 ( Got SMS), Country not on the list, non-EU citizen
Enterfinland doesnt work, so I checked Suomi.fi and my citizenship has been updated there.

Congratulations!

May I know your initial application queue number after visiting the Migri service point?

Regards,

[37yqp8098y5]

Enterfinland did not work for me whole day, but I was just able to log in there. Perhaps it will work for you too

Thanks so much. As soon as I saw this I tried and it sure does work now. So it was down for almost 2 full days.
So Migri asked me some really weird stuff.

Or maybe it is not weird but I just assumed they had more information available to them, but maybe they want to double-check that I also keep my information.

In short. They wanted full travel history from the date I submitted my application. This took me about 3 hours to put together (over 55 trips!). Thankfully I keep a really organized record of all of my travels (thanks Notion!) where I have everything from my plane/ferry/conference etc. tickets and schedules etc. Plus all the times and dates of travel etc. Most of it was easy to produce but I saw I was missing one or two things because I had physical copies of those only from a previous job so I had to scan those. I'm really glad I bothered to download all these from workplace's CRM platforms otherwise I would not have a copy.

They also wanted a bit more information on my income from way back in 2017 for some reason... I have no idea why they wanted this. I submitted all of this information in person when I lodged my application. Everything was clearly marked. So I sent some more documents in and excerpt of bank statements etc.

If I am missing something still or they are not happy with something I have sent them. I am pretty sure I should get multiple chances to provide what they want. In all, I am going to be extremely happy when I don't have to bark like a dog and produce all of my travel history for these guys to snoop on and overanalyse.

With a bit of luck they'll look at everything really quickly and hopefully I can get from Stage 2 to approved by the end of this week...
At least I made it all as organized and easy for them to read and go through as I could.

Fingers crossed.

P.S. I am really sick of how !"#¤% this finlandforum website is coded. That I have to scan through my posts to find out what part of the text in my posts is causing "INTERNAL SERVER ERROR" all the @#$% time. Will be really happy when I can get off this citizenship train and forum for good.

P.P.S. Queue number was 145x the day I got the SMS that my application had moved to Stage 2. Which is near to exactly what I have been saying that I expected would be my turn.

[Maisa]

Finally got my decision
Applied on 28.3.23,
Visit migri: 4.4.2023
Satge 2 : 31.8.2023;
Queue number 45xx,
Decision: 12.9.2023 ( Got SMS), Country not on the list, non-EU citizen
Enterfinland doesnt work, so I checked Suomi.fi and my citizenship has been updated there.

Congratulations!

May I know your initial application queue number after visiting the Migri service point?

Regards,

Thank you.
initial queue numebr: 68xx

[browndude]

You swap jobs every 12 months for an extra 1000€/kk?? I too would love to have such salary increases - but this is somewhat unusual in Finland.

It's not always exactly an extra 1k€ but that's the ballpark. Last time I jumped my salary €1.6k/kk swapping from one job to another. It's only unusual because people in this country don't know how to market themselves and have no aggression in negotiating their salary. They would also rather sit in a single company for 21 years and make 5x less per month because they're scared about job security and treat their job as a replacement for having a real life.

I'm a DevSecOps Consultant. I've worked for multinational companies and small startups. Generally can triple can double or triple a company's EBITDA which means I can ask a competitively high salary. I still make less than most Full Stack Devs but then I am also not doing 5 people's jobs at once and not working as a one man army. Though I am paying 40% tax...

Companies will always have more money to pay a new employee higher salary than what they have to give raises. So I leave whenever I get a better job offer, most times when I leave after getting an offer I can't refuse. Generally I get between 15-20 job offers on LinkedIn per week. Depending on the market I'll open my own company sometime in the future. Thanks to covid/war/recession, haven't been able to do that.

In short yeah I could probably halve the time Migri takes on these applications. However, they'll never spend money on me when they can pocket that €450 per application and run the service at a bare minimum standard.

Ontopic: Hopefully they fix this embarrassing issue tomorrow... Hasn't worked all day today either. They also didn't answer my emails...

Very good. I am happy for you. Although, I think your experience is also related to the field you are in and not only about salary negotiations. If I could go back in time, I would have studied more Cybersecurity. I hope your application gets processed soon. One thing about Finland (and Nordics in general) is that it has a tendency to put barriers in front of exceptional people in its rush to make things equitable which results in a regression to the mean--> mediocrity.

[37yqp8098y5]

Very good. I am happy for you. Although, I think your experience is also related to the field you are in and not only about salary negotiations. If I could go back in time, I would have studied more Cybersecurity. I hope your application gets processed soon. One thing about Finland (and Nordics in general) is that it has a tendency to put barriers in front of exceptional people in its rush to make things equitable which results in a regression to the mean--> mediocrity.

No worries and thanks. Cybersecurity doesn't make much money, even if you work for Google/Twitter etc. It's a common misconception. Plus you are also the first to be fired, grilled etc. when something eventually does break or get hacked. You are always to blame. It's a horrible field to work in.

You don't need a time machine. Just spend some time on learning a new craft. The fastest way to make a better salary is to negotiate one with a new job. Not to learn more skills. Many times I've increased my salary by like €3000 without having to learn or do anything extra. Just because I demand a higher pay and I don't entertain anyone who won't meet my expectations. It of course comes with responsibilities but then no one pays you for nothing.

This will be my last post on the topic because I don't want to spam the thread.

Currently waiting for them to get back to me on Stage 2. Hope it doesn't take like another 9 months...

[fahrenheit0ff]

Hey guys I have always been a silent member of this forum. This forum has been a great support.

Today (14.09) I received my positive decision on my application at exactly 5 months mark

when the decision was made queue number was: 47xx

Now I have a question regarding passport delivery time, how long does it take to get the passport hand?

I am traveling to a country in 2 weeks, obviously, my PR is not valid anymore. so I need the passport to travel outside of Finland ASAP.

(update: I already applied for the passport with express delivery, I should get it on hand in 4 working days max)

[37yqp8098y5]

Today I got my citzenship.
Applied in December 2022.

Congratulations! Another speedy decision. Can only hope that it augurs well for the rest of us

Likely it's because they applied after the automation was brought in from June 2022.

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So I applied on 30.06.22
11.22 ~34xx > Moved to Stage 2

EDIT: ~28xx 06.09.2023 Approved!

I applied in 06.22
Queue is 32xx

EDIT: 21.08.2023 ~2700. Stage 1

Applied in 03.2022
Queue 22XX, still stage one

EDIT: 21.08.2022 ~1800. Stage 1

Applied 01.2022
Queue today: 20xx. Stage 1.

EDIT: 10.09.2023 ~148x > Moved to Stage 2 (after 19.5 months)

Place your bets which of us gets answer first! I vote juls (if they didn't get an answer already). Due to applying after automation started.
EDIT: I was right, juls got approved 2 months after I posted this!

Next week is 18 months exactly since I applied. I think anyone before 06.2022 is going to be waiting at least 18-24 months.
Most people seem to have got their stage 2 announcement with queue number >1800 and mine is almost there. So if I'm lucky ~2 more months.

So checking back what I posted before. I was bang on correct almost to the date, on 2 months. I voted that Juls likely gets his answer first (and he did > Approved). I have heard nothing from No_doo and RandomDude. So it looks mine is second into Stage 2. However, it might take longer to get actual approval because Migri asked me more information. This means if No_doo and RandomDude haven't got anything, they should be just around the corner from going to Stage 2.

Checking posts about how long Stage 2 has taken for most people. I learned this after reading about 50 replies here:

1. 90% of people got from Stage 2 to Approved in 1-3 days.
2. 5% of people it took <1 Week.
3. 5% of people still waiting even up to 9 months later.

Now I am curious that those whom are still waiting in Stage 2. Did you get asked to submit more information on your application? Or was it moved to Stage 2 with no request for anything else, and yet you are still waiting so many months?

P.S. RandomDude is next on list at this stage. I think it will be max 2 months before he moves to Stage 2.