Applying for Citizenship 2024

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karhu86
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by karhu86 » Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:28 pm

Uskomaton wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 6:30 pm
karhu86 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:40 pm
ehab101 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 5:03 pm
Hi,

I would like to know if someone has experienced something similar to my case. While filling out my application, I spelled my father's name wrong. I added a letter at the end of his name by mistake. I sent an "additional information" message clarifying the mistake right away and requesting migri to correct this. Now ever since I applied two months ago in March, I have been wondering if that could be a reason if my application could end up in the "slow queue"? Or am I just worrying for no reason? If anyone has had similar issues or experience, could you share if this affected your application in any way or if there a way to rectify this mistake yet, i.e. call migri to inform of this mistake so this can be already fixed in the system manually?

Thanks in advance!
I had the same issue, i made a mistake in filling the travel information. i sent them the correct form in "additional information" and i contacted migri and they said they have received it. but i always wonder do they really relay on the data provided by applicants. i mean traveling data is super easy to get from the border guards system, and in your case your father's name is not mentioned in any registry in Finland. So seriously how much this information will really affect your application?
Travel data can only be gathered for going from and to Schengen. Inside Schengen cannot be gathered. Migri explained this in a written way while responding to the citizenship law draft.
When you check-in and board your flight in Schengen area, the airline company have to share the passengers data with the board guards, and they receive a confirmation before they are allowed to travel. if migri suspects anything they can easily access that data. bottom line is that you can't be living in germany and pretend to be in finland.



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betelgeuse
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by betelgeuse » Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:29 pm

karhu86 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:28 pm
When you check-in and board your flight in Schengen area, the airline company have to share the passengers data with the board guards, and they receive a confirmation before they are allowed to travel. if migri suspects anything they can easily access that data. bottom line is that you can't be living in germany and pretend to be in finland.
Such a process inside Schengen does not exist. If you disagree, provide a source reference.

karhu86
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by karhu86 » Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:12 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:29 pm
karhu86 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:28 pm
When you check-in and board your flight in Schengen area, the airline company have to share the passengers data with the board guards, and they receive a confirmation before they are allowed to travel. if migri suspects anything they can easily access that data. bottom line is that you can't be living in germany and pretend to be in finland.
Such a process inside Schengen does not exist. If you disagree, provide a source reference.
Easily bro, it is called the API system (Advanced Passenger Information), you can google it. I has your name, sex, nationality and other information about you, and it is submitted by all airlines to the authorities for each flight. You are mixing between the border checks inside the Schengen area and the API. Even if you are traveling inside the same country, authorities know who is on the airplane. So my point is if authorities suspect anything about you, they can check you traveling history...

riku2
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by riku2 » Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:55 pm

karhu86 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:12 pm
it is called the API system (Advanced Passenger Information), you can google it. I has your name, sex, nationality and other information about you, and it is submitted by all airlines to the authorities for each flight.
well I just did online check in for a Helsinki-Stockholm flight and have my boarding pass but the airline only has my name and contact phone. There was no request for nationality or passport info, unlike when doing online check in for the UK or USA (two countries which use API). When I board the plane I will show the boarding pass barcode to the gate reader. Nobody will check my passport.

What if you travel by train inside schengen? you don't even provide your name, let alone passport details. The same for driving or walking across the border.

betelgeuse
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by betelgeuse » Tue Jun 04, 2024 12:15 am

karhu86 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 10:12 pm
betelgeuse wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 8:29 pm
karhu86 wrote:
Mon Jun 03, 2024 7:28 pm
When you check-in and board your flight in Schengen area, the airline company have to share the passengers data with the board guards, and they receive a confirmation before they are allowed to travel. if migri suspects anything they can easily access that data. bottom line is that you can't be living in germany and pretend to be in finland.
Such a process inside Schengen does not exist. If you disagree, provide a source reference.
Easily bro, it is called the API system (Advanced Passenger Information), you can google it. I has your name, sex, nationality and other information about you, and it is submitted by all airlines to the authorities for each flight. You are mixing between the border checks inside the Schengen area and the API. Even if you are traveling inside the same country, authorities know who is on the airplane. So my point is if authorities suspect anything about you, they can check you traveling history...
” Advance passenger information (API) is data collected by air carriers at check-in and sent to border control authorities in the country of destination. In the EU, Council Directive 2004/82/EC on the obligation of carriers to communicate passenger data ('API Directive') regulates the collection and transmission of API data. The Directive imposes an obligation on air carriers to transmit, upon request, passenger data to the Member State of destination prior to the flight’s take-off, for flights in-bound from a third country to improve border controls and combat illegal immigration. ”

Emphasis mine.

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/legislat ... e-security

gulbeseker
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by gulbeseker » Tue Jun 04, 2024 3:31 pm

Hello everyone,

I have applied at the end of March 2024 and my queue number starts with 6xxx, and the diary number starts with 26xx/. Am in the long queue? :(

mamutti
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by mamutti » Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:17 pm

Also, with that long processing times I think that it is kinda reasonable for the refugees to apply already 2 years in advance, as the processing will probably last for more than 2 years 😂 So, currently if you lived for 2 years, you can kinda already apply for the citizenship, so in 2 years the time will be 4+ years
Also, you can submit YKI after that 😂

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by riku2 » Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:23 pm

mamutti wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:17 pm
currently if you lived for 2 years, you can kinda already apply for the citizenship, so in 2 years the time will be 4+ years. Also, you can submit YKI after that 😂
Will the new automated decision making affect that? It can award citizenship within 3 minutes but could equally reject your application in 3 minutes due to not being in the country long enough. 460e lost and you have to pay again in two years time once you truly meet the requirements!

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by betelgeuse » Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:38 pm

riku2 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:23 pm
mamutti wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:17 pm
currently if you lived for 2 years, you can kinda already apply for the citizenship, so in 2 years the time will be 4+ years. Also, you can submit YKI after that 😂
Will the new automated decision making affect that? It can award citizenship within 3 minutes but could equally reject your application in 3 minutes due to not being in the country long enough. 460e lost and you have to pay again in two years time once you truly meet the requirements!
Current automation does not issue negative decisions. It will go to a human if it can’t be approved. However, if one can get an automated decision, it does not make sense to apply early.

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by Maaria » Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:20 pm

betelgeuse wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:38 pm
riku2 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:23 pm
mamutti wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:17 pm
currently if you lived for 2 years, you can kinda already apply for the citizenship, so in 2 years the time will be 4+ years. Also, you can submit YKI after that 😂
Will the new automated decision making affect that? It can award citizenship within 3 minutes but could equally reject your application in 3 minutes due to not being in the country long enough. 460e lost and you have to pay again in two years time once you truly meet the requirements!
Current automation does not issue negative decisions. It will go to a human if it can’t be approved. However, if one can get an automated decision, it does not make sense to apply early.
Are the entrepreneurs or the spouse of entrepreneurs eligible for automated processing?

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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by FinlandGirl » Tue Jun 04, 2024 9:13 pm

Maaria wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 8:20 pm
betelgeuse wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:38 pm
riku2 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2024 5:23 pm


Will the new automated decision making affect that? It can award citizenship within 3 minutes but could equally reject your application in 3 minutes due to not being in the country long enough. 460e lost and you have to pay again in two years time once you truly meet the requirements!
Current automation does not issue negative decisions. It will go to a human if it can’t be approved. However, if one can get an automated decision, it does not make sense to apply early.
Are the entrepreneurs or the spouse of entrepreneurs eligible for automated processing?
There is nothing that would formally exclude them.

Automated processing can be done when everything can immediately be checked automatically.
That's possible for employment and benefits where all data is in the Incomes Register, for entrepreneurs and other sources of income it is less likely that fully automated checking is possible and has been implemented.

TUserFin
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by TUserFin » Wed Jun 05, 2024 9:59 am

Hi, can anyone recommend me citezenship lawyer? Want to explore additional opportunities.

broccoli
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by broccoli » Wed Jun 05, 2024 10:47 am

mamutti wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:44 pm
August, 30 and identity check on 1.9.2022 - number is 78xx
You should receive the decision before 1st August as it will mark 23 months waiting for you.
I really hope you get it sooner, like this month. I applied not so long after you.

Leila722
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by Leila722 » Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:25 am

My citizenship application is still in stage one. Immigration asked for some personal information. Is this normal? Is it possible for my application to be processed soon?

mamutti
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by mamutti » Wed Jun 05, 2024 11:52 am

broccoli wrote:
Wed Jun 05, 2024 10:47 am
mamutti wrote:
Mon Mar 18, 2024 3:44 pm
August, 30 and identity check on 1.9.2022 - number is 78xx
You should receive the decision before 1st August as it will mark 23 months waiting for you.
I really hope you get it sooner, like this month. I applied not so long after you.
Well, let’s hope so, but this is kinda gloomy thing… I was thinking of applying again and hoping for the automatic processing if that’s possible


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