Applying for Citizenship 2024

[kunglao]

Hi ! Is anyone know about my case I am waiting still waiting for decision and my baby had born. I had join my baby to my application already but now it’s turning my baby 2 month . My question is do I can wait until decision or I should apply resident permit to her I still not requested from my home country passport or birth certificate to her. My waiting time is already 26month for now still no any decision from imigri . In my case anyone can advise that what I should do ?I will be so glad to here it thank you

If you're not planning to travel anytime soon I would simply not apply for a residence permit for the baby. In fact if you are planning to travel you can obtain an alien passport instead. According to Migri, your residence is legal as long as you have a pending application (RP or citizenship). If you are also traveling in the Nordics, your baby's birth certificate from DVV is enough for airlines. There's a decent chance that your application won't take more than 6 months.

[betelgeuse]

Hi ! Is anyone know about my case I am waiting still waiting for decision and my baby had born. I had join my baby to my application already but now it’s turning my baby 2 month . My question is do I can wait until decision or I should apply resident permit to her I still not requested from my home country passport or birth certificate to her. My waiting time is already 26month for now still no any decision from imigri . In my case anyone can advise that what I should do ?I will be so glad to here it thank you

If you're not planning to travel anytime soon I would simply not apply for a residence permit for the baby. In fact if you are planning to travel you can obtain an alien passport instead. According to Migri, your residence is legal as long as you have a pending application (RP or citizenship). If you are also traveling in the Nordics, your baby's birth certificate from DVV is enough for airlines. There's a decent chance that your application won't take more than 6 months.

A pending citizenship application does not make residence legal.

"A residence permit application must be submitted for the child within 3 months of the child being born. This means that if you do not get a decision on your citizenship applications soon after the birth, you will need to apply for a residence permit for the child."

https://migri.fi/en/faq-finnish-citizenship

[Dreamheart]

Thanks for the information

[Indian_Dude]

As an American citizen, you can introduce yourself as an American regardless of ethnicity. The same goes for Britain, Canada ...etc. countries. Is it also similar in Finland?

Example, if you are an Indian (brown skin person ), could you introduce yourself as a Finn? or suomalainen? Does it sounds odd in Finnish society? As far as I understand Finn/ Somalinen is a ethnic attribute. How to call a Finnish Citizen?

[betelgeuse]

As an American citizen, you can introduce yourself as an American regardless of ethnicity. The same goes for Britain, Canada ...etc. countries. Is it also similar in Finland?

Example, if you are an Indian (brown skin person ), could you introduce yourself as a Finn? or Somalinen? Does it sounds odd in Finnish society? As far as I understand Finn/ Somalinen is a ethnic attribute. How to call a Finnish Citizen?

The adjective is suomalainen (somali is someone from Somalia). The answer depends whether you ask, for example, a liberal or a racist. Liberals will accept identification for citizens but racists will look at your skin color.

[World_citizen]

As an American citizen, you can introduce yourself as an American regardless of ethnicity. The same goes for Britain, Canada ...etc. countries. Is it also similar in Finland?

Example, if you are an Indian (brown skin person ), could you introduce yourself as a Finn? or Somalinen? Does it sounds odd in Finnish society? As far as I understand Finn/ Somalinen is a ethnic attribute. How to call a Finnish Citizen?

The adjective is suomalainen (somali is someone from Somalia). The answer depends whether you ask, for example, a liberal or a racist. Liberals will accept identification for citizens but racists will look at your skin color.

In my opinion, the best way here would be "I am a naturalized Finnish citizen" because this is the truth. From Wikipedia: naturalization (or naturalisation) is the legal act or process by which a non-national of a country acquires the nationality of that country after birth. Of course, many people don't know what is a naturalized citizen, but I think it would be great if this term would become more popular (would save a lot of explaining). Plus, in this context, your ethnicity is not implied to be Finnish.

[browndude]

As an American citizen, you can introduce yourself as an American regardless of ethnicity. The same goes for Britain, Canada ...etc. countries. Is it also similar in Finland?

Example, if you are an Indian (brown skin person ), could you introduce yourself as a Finn? or suomalainen? Does it sounds odd in Finnish society? As far as I understand Finn/ Somalinen is a ethnic attribute. How to call a Finnish Citizen?

This is a somewhat complicated question in the context of Finland (and indeed in many European countries) because these nations are primarily formed along ethnic identity as opposed to places like Canada, USA and even Britain which were formed by immigration and conquest-even there though there are sections of the population who only accept e.g. white immigrant who have been there for many generations as "truly American/Canadian/British". I am a brown dude who has Finnish citizenship. I identify myself as a Finnish citizen and not as a Finn. I do not consider this a racist view but rather a pragmatic view since I obtained my citizenship later on once my primary ethnic identity had been formed elsewhere. Of course some refuse to acknowledge Finnishood purely out of racism. The extreme-globalist minded people are at the other extreme and may want to abolish the concept of borders completely. I however fully sympathize with e.g. a dark-skinned child who was born and raised in Finland and whose identity is primarily Finnish being wanting to be referred to as a Finn. My personal opinion is that if you are born and raised here with Finnish values then you should be able to call yourself a Finn but some will not accept it.

[finnfinns]

As an American citizen, you can introduce yourself as an American regardless of ethnicity. The same goes for Britain, Canada ...etc. countries. Is it also similar in Finland?

Example, if you are an Indian (brown skin person ), could you introduce yourself as a Finn? or suomalainen? Does it sounds odd in Finnish society? As far as I understand Finn/ Somalinen is a ethnic attribute. How to call a Finnish Citizen?

I know many people half 'Finn' or were born in Finland, some of them are not white. Should not they call them Finn although they have been growing up in Finland?

In Finnish, there are 2 words: kansalaisuus and kansallisuus. You do not mark your kansallisuus: Finland but India, of course.

Suomalainen is Finn in English, and in English Finn is simply a person from Finland (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dic).

However, no need to make it complicated, it is your choice and depends on situation. Usually it is unnecessary to say I am from Finland (introduction) when people do not ask. Nowadays, in professional environment, noone care such thing in an international environment. For the question: where are you from? It can be about where you were born, where (country) you work, or where you live. You need to guess what the others want to know. For simplicity, I usually answer where I were born in casual conversation (I have 2 citizenships now), but when working (conference, for example) it should be where I work (country).

[betelgeuse]

In Finnish, there are 2 words: kansalaisuus and kansallisuus. You do not mark your kansallisuus: Finland but India, of course.

Suomalainen is Finn in English, and in English Finn is simply a person from Finland (Oxford Advanced Learner's Dic).

Suomalainen translates to both Finn and Finnish depending on the context. He is a Finn (noun) / He is Finnish (adjective).

[approw1903]

Hi Guys,
So I am finally in the queue for citizenship application! But the Kamu chatbot is down and now I have no idea about my place in the queue! Would diary numbers help in knowing, about how long will it take for the decision?

[Aasinkinttu]

Hi Guys,
So I am finally in the queue for citizenship application! But the Kamu chatbot is down and now I have no idea about my place in the queue! Would diary numbers help in knowing, about how long will it take for the decision?

I think it would be hard to judge by your diary number unless it is from 2023. There had been some data gathered on those 2023 diary numbers; however, much less info has been presented for 2024.

This Kamu issue is becoming ridiculous. There was a maintenance on the enterfinland website this evening and it is still unresolved!

It's unlikely that I'll complain about the time it's taking to process applications, but not having any possibility to somehow track the process is very frustrating

[Dreamheart]

Hi! Now almost 26 month gone and on way to 27 still waiting I like to ask if anyone know that this month I don't get any emails automatic from imigri . Is it because of the Kamu is down ? I get every month one email but not this month

[Aasinkinttu]

Hi! Now almost 26 month gone and on way to 27 still waiting I like to ask if anyone know that this month I don't get any emails automatic from imigri . Is it because of the Kamu is down ? I get every month one email but not this month

From what I've read, June is historically a very productive month. Though, I'm noticing less activity here and also less automated emailss, as you already mentioned.

I'm only 6 months in so I cannot confirm based on my experience. I guess we'll only know for sure when the statics page is updated.

[UncleSam]

Background Information:

Hi everyone,

I applied for citizenship back in February this year, and I have a question about the travel period allowed during the waiting time for a decision. Based on forum feedback, this period can be quite long.

Currently, I have secured a contract that allows me to work remotely from outside Finland for up to six months. I have been working with this company for the past six years.

However, the Migri website states the following about traveling during the citizenship application process:

"You can travel outside Finland while your citizenship application is being processed. However, please note that absences affect your period of residence. A requirement for citizenship is that you live in Finland and that you have done so for a sufficient length of time."

The phrase "absences affect your period of residence" is confusing to me because I have already met the residency requirements when I applied for citizenship. My concern is that the period of residence is not only the 4-year rule (according to the current regulations) but also includes rules for continuous residence, which are as follows:

Trips that last a maximum of one month do not interrupt your continuous period of residence.
A maximum of six periods of absence lasting 1–2 months each.
A maximum of two periods of absence lasting 2–6 months each.

Before applying for citizenship, I have already used the two periods lasting 2–6 months and four of the periods lasting 1–2 months, mainly during the COVID-19 pandemic when I could work freely from anywhere.

Question to the Community:

Am I allowed to travel freely while waiting for the citizenship decision, for example, work abroad continuously for 3-4 months (exceeding the 1-2 month rule, which is the only one I still have available)? Or do I need to adhere to the continuous residence rules, meaning I can still travel for two periods lasting 1–2 months, and after that, I can only take trips that last a maximum of one month until I receive the decision?

Thanks!

[MAR1]

Hei,

my diary number is 17xxx/310/2023, any people around this number already received a decision,
Thanks in advance,