Do you have to serve Finnish Army as a naturalized citizen?

[MichaelR]

Finland - boring ass country,cold,small,!"#¤% beer,makkara,sauna:))))unknown country.nobody actually knows where finland is.
vs
russia - vodka,boris eltsin,siberia,too much talkin about russia everybody thinks they know so much about it even,tho they don't
peace

[Jukka Aho]

Finland - boring ass country,cold,small,!"#¤% beer,makkara,sauna:))))unknown country.nobody actually knows where finland is.

And we like it that way!

[msrz]

Finland - boring ass country,cold,small,!"#¤% beer,makkara,sauna:))))unknown country.nobody actually knows where finland is.

And welike it that way!

speak for yourself plz.Every person I ask(well at least a young person) if he/she likes FInland, the answer is "are you serious,i'm gonna get outta here in the future":))And don't tell me that's not true

[Jukka Aho]

Finland - boring ass country,cold,small,!"#¤% beer,makkara,sauna:))))unknown country.nobody actually knows where finland is.

And we like it that way!

speak for yourself plz.Every person I ask(well at least a young person) if he/she likes FInland, the answer is "are you serious,i'm gonna get outta here in the future":))And don't tell me that's not true

They’ll come to their senses later on when they’re older and wiser and want to get their citizenship back. Meanwhile – more room and power to me!

[onkko]

Voi helevetin russä. You are one who invaded finland, you are one who attacked civilians in lapland, you are one to blame.
You are one who killed my grandmothers family, what in hell 6 year old gird did to you? you executed him and his family.
You are one to blame, you attacked and you deserve whatever you got from that attack.
Pietari? oh i really hoped finnish would terminate that whole place, too bad finnish are too kind to do that. Russians are no good non believelable and almost non human.
There is no way anyone rightminded finnish would trust russian.
Buy better books and accept a fact that youre invader.
End of rant, and yes i hate russians.

I am truly sorry for your grandmothers family.
But tell me, do you go blind when your turn on the lights or otherwise use electicity imported from Russia?
Does your ass burn when you wipe it with paper made from russian lumber?
Do you vomit when you see oil bought from Russia?
Why do you depend or Russia's resources so much? Where is your pride?
If Russia is such an enemy of yours as you say, then your whole rant looks like and attempt to bite while sucking your enemy dick...

No i wont, of course. Things are byued where you can get it and since we happen to have 1000+ km border youre near, and cheap.
Your country has develop much but humans are same, untrustworhy, as friend of mine said "everything under 100kg of railroad is stolen and that railroad is bended."
Pride has nothing to do with business, only security and currently russians are considered secure enough to do business with, that doesnt mean i trust you.
For common good its normal to do business even with untrustworthy like russias, just ask payment before delivery.
Friend of mine did business in Kantalahti, had to leave because of mafia and corruption. Now he does business in Kazakstan. He said to me that never trust russian and he had been doing business in russian and related areas decades.
Russia is enemy, study says (only one i found, this is done with primary school studends) that "Russian have been constant thread to finnish independece", 54% agreed 17% totally agreed. "How probably you think Finland is in war with these nations in next 40 years?" Russia: somehow probably 42% probably 8%. And of course there is readers digest study what shows that russian is last one who finnish will trust.
As said youre not trusted in here but finnish arent stupid, business is business. I can hate but that wont change my way to do business, yes i will and had serviced russian tourists without problem, had one russian workfriend (he was sacked for stealing, suprise...). Friend of mine is married with russian, shes nice. etc. Business and feelings are two different areas and shouldnt be mixed. I dont have to like or trust people to live with them, thats integration with facts you cant change. Fact is we have lot of good trade with russians, fact is i hate russians. Trade is more important than my opinions.

I know here is big russian community in finland and im ok with it, like im ok with muslims, jehovas, helluntailaiset and whatever as long they wont jump in my eyes. Yelling racist, lying about facts, calling something normal to discrimation, trying to change my way of life, trying to distrurb peace, being just stupid.. those are examples when i will jump back and tell what i think no matter who tries that be it russian, imam, priest, polician, neughbour dog or whatever i will tell what i think

Grudges are here to stay, i try to live with mine so i can live in this society with minimum hassle and im willing to change my opinions if proven wrong, i constanly look for evidence that im wrong (and found some from this forum, some to prove my presumptious true too, sadly) but still not enough to change my opinions.

/end of frow of mind, yes i cannot write even in finnish.

[onkko]

Why do the russian books lie but finnish books tell truth?.

Because the authors are liars. USSR is known to have had quite inventive history writing. Like Katyn murders, Mainila artillery... you name it.

Just wonder, what does Finnish propaganda say about Finnish prisoner camps in Eastern Karelia for ethnic Russians? Do you have any statistics how many of them were executed or died of starvation and diseases?

Ill look and top that with



Thats from partisan strike, yes from strike of russian partisans who came to destroy small villages and kill civilians.
Other questions are explained by others already. Only think i want to add is research what happened to freed prisoners, in karelia and other warprisoners, execution or sentence to siberia.

[dampa]

onkko, i think u are sick

What if I tell u I won't go to the army, will you tell MIGRI not to give me the citizenship and they won't??? I simply think you are stucked and you basically don't know a way out of the problems you have caused yourself.

[onkko]

onkko, i think u are sick

What if I tell u I won't go to the army, will you tell MIGRI not to give me the citizenship and they won't??? I simply think you are stucked and you basically don't know a way out of the problems you have caused yourself.

I will do same as i did my friend, i bougt frock for him, it had nice flowers in it too. and i did made him to wear it.
I havent caused any problems to myself, you seem to be one who wants problems. As i and others told service isnt simple duty, its something what bonds finnish and is regarded as "becoming as man" ritual and its highly regarded. Its your choice but remember that there is conseguences. Migri can decide without my help and they wont even listen me. Im telling you how things are (this is one thing everyone knows but no one will tell you if you cant ask directly), nothing more.

[dampa]

[dampa]

... everyone knows but no one will tell you if you cant ask directly.

oh you woke up already?

Sorry I changed my mind...I am going to army and defend the great Finland, but before I do that, I will have to defend onkkoland from the Russians who are probably going to invade from the east...duh!

Plus I have asked several Finns and they don't really care about who goes to army or not. In our family, there are Finnish men who haven't been and are very successful now without problems whatsoever with either Russia or whatnot. It is an individual choice. Some people don't just believe in or like army -- whatever it is and stands for. It isn't the "war-thing" or bombing nowheremäki or whatever....

Going to the army to learn the Finnish tactics

[Karhunkoski]

Plus I have asked several Finns and they don't really care about who goes to army or not. In our family, there are Finnish men who haven't been and are very successful now without problems whatsoever with either Russia or whatnot. It is an individual choice. Some people don't just believe in or like army -- whatever it is and stands for.

Of course there are people who don't go to army and end up being extremely successful, nobody is doubting that.

I think what some people are trying to tell you is that there does exist in some area of Finnish society, a certain amount of resentment and distrust of men who haven't done their time in the army. Whether this is right or wrong, or clashes with your principles, doesn't mean much to those who may discriminate against you. You now have this information, you have the individual choice as to whether to go, you cherry picker you

[dampa]

Of course there are people who don't go to army and end up being extremely successful, nobody is doubting that.

I think what some people are trying to tell you is that there does exist in some area of Finnish society, a certain amount of resentment and distrust of men who haven't done their time in the army. Whether this is right or wrong, or clashes with your principles, doesn't mean much to those who may discriminate against you. You now have this information, you have the individual choice as to whether to go, you cherry picker you

Thanks I understand your point clearly and I do know that for sure, but it isn't like the way that "c*cks**ker" above is trying to make it seem. I for example got a job without no one disapproving if I have seen the army or not. And I have heard some Finns who were surprised that an immigrant need to go there as a requirement to naturalise...

[Karhunkoski]

I for example got a job without no one disapproving if I have seen the army or not. And I have heard some Finns who were surprised that an immigrant need to go there as a requirement to naturalise...

Yup, it's all really about statistics for me. Say I was looking for a job. Now I know it is theoretically possible to wear leather trousers, winkle-pickers, nipple clamps, die my hair pink and have "v!%#" shaved into the back of my head, and STILL walk out of an interview with a job offer, but statistically this of course reduces your chances.

But say I didn't get the job, I could walk out of the interview and start ranting about "individual choice" and stating that I didn't believe in the principles of conforming to a certain dress code, etc. But that wouldn't change anything, I would still be jobless.

When I was a teenager and finding my feet in the world, I also tried to stick by certain personal ideals and principles. But as you get older, you realise that there is something called Murphy's Golden Rule:

He who has the gold, makes the rules.

Since then I have tried to do everything within my power to maximise my chances of success, working the statistics to my advantage, and so far it has worked.

Perhaps you may never encounter discrimination for not having served your time, perhaps you will, but you should be aware that the types of opinions you read on here can often be quite representative of the way Finns' brains work.

[dampa]

Thanks...for your words and good that it has always worked for you.

I am not the OP and I am not hunting for a Finnish citizenship. I have had my own portion of discrimination in Finland & I think I am glad I know how to handle it, after some 365s under my sleeves. Sometimes, one does not have to go the same path as the fellow man to succeed

[Hank W.]

Its good to see a "native" viewpoint, as otherwise one might imagine everybody is touchy-feeley-flowerhatted grouphug person. Also one should remember that is the two ends of the spectrum, and Mr. Gauss invented the scale and most of the given group is in the middle of the two ends always.