Applying for Citizenship 2024

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UncleSam
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by UncleSam » Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:27 pm

mamutti wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:08 pm
By the way, I am going to send another citizenship application, so there can be possibility of getting it through automatic decisions. As in my case Migri told to Oileuskansleri about my travels that should be paid attention to, so everything else should be fine. After waiting for more than 21 months, my travels in 2016, 2017, 2018 and partly in 2019 don’t matter anymore, as 4-years time has shifted and I haven’t traveled anymore that much after the end of 2019.

Migri also told that it is actually possible to create as many applications as humanly possible, you just need to pay another fee. But I don’t want to wait anymore, so I would rather take a chance and hope for the automatic processing for now
Are you saying that the way the 4 years continuous residency rule is counted based on today's date and 4 years earlier, i.e. not from the start of the residency? I have similar issue as i have been travelling verry frequently in 2018, 2019 and 2020.



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betelgeuse
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by betelgeuse » Mon Jul 01, 2024 2:10 pm

UncleSam wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 1:27 pm
mamutti wrote:
Thu Jun 20, 2024 2:08 pm
By the way, I am going to send another citizenship application, so there can be possibility of getting it through automatic decisions. As in my case Migri told to Oileuskansleri about my travels that should be paid attention to, so everything else should be fine. After waiting for more than 21 months, my travels in 2016, 2017, 2018 and partly in 2019 don’t matter anymore, as 4-years time has shifted and I haven’t traveled anymore that much after the end of 2019.

Migri also told that it is actually possible to create as many applications as humanly possible, you just need to pay another fee. But I don’t want to wait anymore, so I would rather take a chance and hope for the automatic processing for now
Are you saying that the way the 4 years continuous residency rule is counted based on today's date and 4 years earlier, i.e. not from the start of the residency? I have similar issue as i have been travelling verry frequently in 2018, 2019 and 2020.
Correct.

fingol
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by fingol » Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:32 pm

Uskomaton wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:38 pm
https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Edusk ... +2024.aspx

The new citizenship law has been approved by the parliament today.
With that perfect processing time of Migri I already reached 8 years anyway 😂

Sungirl2002
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by Sungirl2002 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:53 pm

Uskomaton wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:38 pm
https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Edusk ... +2024.aspx

The new citizenship law has been approved by the parliament today.
And the pending applications will be affected as well.😱

Oussbe7
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by Oussbe7 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:18 pm

Uskomaton wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:38 pm
https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Edusk ... +2024.aspx

The new citizenship law has been approved by the parliament today.
Tämä laki tulee voimaan päivänä kuuta 20 .
Tämän lain voimaan tullessa vireillä olevaan kansalaisuushakemukseen sovelletaan tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa olleita säännöksiä.
Lakiehdotus päättyy
Helsingissä 1.7.2024
Eduskunnan puolesta

puhemies
pääsihteeri


Translation to English :

This law enters into force on the 20th of the month.
When this law enters into force, the regulations in force when this law enters into force will apply to citizenship applications pending.
The bill ends
In Helsinki on July 1, 2024
On behalf of the Parliament

speaker
general secretary

approw1903
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by approw1903 » Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:39 pm

Oussbe7 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:18 pm
Uskomaton wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:38 pm
https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Edusk ... +2024.aspx

The new citizenship law has been approved by the parliament today.
Tämä laki tulee voimaan päivänä kuuta 20 .
Tämän lain voimaan tullessa vireillä olevaan kansalaisuushakemukseen sovelletaan tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa olleita säännöksiä.
Lakiehdotus päättyy
Helsingissä 1.7.2024
Eduskunnan puolesta

puhemies
pääsihteeri


Translation to English :

This law enters into force on the 20th of the month.
When this law enters into force, the regulations in force when this law enters into force will apply to citizenship applications pending.
The bill ends
In Helsinki on July 1, 2024
On behalf of the Parliament

speaker
general secretary
Right so the new laws will not be applied retroactively, i.e., the pending applications will be processed according to the previous rules. Did I get it right?

Lucius
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by Lucius » Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:09 am

Finally migri has an excuse to process applications as slow as the wish😅.adding pending applications to the new law means less processing and decisions to be made and more waiting time for old applications.

UncleSam
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by UncleSam » Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:30 am

approw1903 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:39 pm
Oussbe7 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:18 pm
Uskomaton wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 4:38 pm
https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Edusk ... +2024.aspx

The new citizenship law has been approved by the parliament today.
Tämä laki tulee voimaan päivänä kuuta 20 .
Tämän lain voimaan tullessa vireillä olevaan kansalaisuushakemukseen sovelletaan tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa olleita säännöksiä.
Lakiehdotus päättyy
Helsingissä 1.7.2024
Eduskunnan puolesta

puhemies
pääsihteeri


Translation to English :

This law enters into force on the 20th of the month.
When this law enters into force, the regulations in force when this law enters into force will apply to citizenship applications pending.
The bill ends
In Helsinki on July 1, 2024
On behalf of the Parliament

speaker
general secretary
Right so the new laws will not be applied retroactively, i.e., the pending applications will be processed according to the previous rules. Did I get it right?
the way i read it - the new law will apply to pending citizenship application, therefore affects the applications currently eaites to be processed !!

approw1903
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by approw1903 » Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:21 am

UncleSam wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:30 am
approw1903 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:39 pm
Oussbe7 wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2024 11:18 pm


Tämä laki tulee voimaan päivänä kuuta 20 .
Tämän lain voimaan tullessa vireillä olevaan kansalaisuushakemukseen sovelletaan tämän lain voimaan tullessa voimassa olleita säännöksiä.
Lakiehdotus päättyy
Helsingissä 1.7.2024
Eduskunnan puolesta

puhemies
pääsihteeri


Translation to English :

This law enters into force on the 20th of the month.
When this law enters into force, the regulations in force when this law enters into force will apply to citizenship applications pending.
The bill ends
In Helsinki on July 1, 2024
On behalf of the Parliament

speaker
general secretary
Right so the new laws will not be applied retroactively, i.e., the pending applications will be processed according to the previous rules. Did I get it right?
the way i read it - the new law will apply to pending citizenship application, therefore affects the applications currently eaites to be processed !!
I think it is a bit different. The translation is surely confusing but in another place they have a detailed explanation whose translation is clearer.

Check the following link

https://www.eduskunta.fi/FI/vaski/Halli ... +2024.aspx

there is the following paragraph

“…. In the transitional provisions, it is therefore proposed to stipulate that, with regard to the period of residence, Section 13, subsection 1, point 2, Section 14, subsection 1, point 3, Sections 15, 16, 18, 18 a, 20 and 22, Section 23 of the current law would apply: n subsection 2 and section 24 subsection 3, if the application is made before the proposed law changes come into force. The processing fee for the citizenship application is based on the cost-effectiveness principle and is hundreds of euros (in 2024, 490 euros for an electronic application and 690 euros for a paper application). Processing times for citizenship applications vary from a few months to more than two years. When the proposed changes come into force, citizenship applications will be pending whose authors have submitted their applications because they have assessed that they meet the requirements based on the current provisions of the Citizenship Act and the information on the website of the Finnish Immigration Service. It is therefore justified to apply the changes proposed in this presentation to those applications that are made after the changes proposed in this presentation come into force.



Lucius
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by Lucius » Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:29 am

Yeah it's confusing but let's see.migri might update their website and explain better

Dreamheart
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by Dreamheart » Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:25 am

Hi! Does new laws will effect the 2022 waiting application?

FinWolf
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by FinWolf » Tue Jul 02, 2024 9:24 am

Dreamheart wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 8:25 am
Hi! Does new laws will effect the 2022 waiting application?
No
The new applications will be affected

riku2
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by riku2 » Tue Jul 02, 2024 11:46 am

The data scraping and subsequent removal of queue information from Kamu made the local press https://www.hs.fi/suomi/art-2000010522365.html

sillygoose
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by sillygoose » Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:23 pm

Has anyone who applied in december 2023 received their decision yet?

FinWolf
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Re: Applying for Citizenship 2024

Post by FinWolf » Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:50 pm

sillygoose wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2024 1:23 pm
Has anyone who applied in december 2023 received their decision yet?
Beginning of December
Silence mode from Migri is activated


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