Do you have to serve Finnish Army as a naturalized citizen?

[Tiwaz]

Thanks...for your words and good that it has always worked for you.

I am not the OP and I am not hunting for a Finnish citizenship. I have had my own portion of discrimination in Finland & I think I am glad I know how to handle it, after some 365s under my sleeves. Sometimes, one does not have to go the same path as the fellow man to succeed

Ah, another poor discriminated immigrant.

Out of curiosity, is this again that type of discrimination where finns expect things to be done in finnish way in Finland?
It appears to be most common type immigrants bitch and whine about. They want to go their way.

I can't understand these finns... How on earth they dare to expect immigrants to respect and adjust to local culture...
Truly horrible and so racist.

[elisouli]

onkko wrote:
As i and others told service isnt simple duty, its something what bonds finnish and is regarded as "becoming as man" ritual and its highly regarded.

*BARF*

[onkko]

onkko wrote:
As i and others told service isnt simple duty, its something what bonds finnish and is regarded as "becoming as man" ritual and its highly regarded.

*BARF*

http://youtube.com/watch?v=phthxXtnFFg&feature=related

As your nick says youre woman, you dont see it that way as finnish males sees that, i dont know if its bad or good.
Its not something you talk about to someone who hasnt been in army or anyone but its reality, in other countries its something else.
After you do army you are handled and respected like a man.That was clear when i ended my service in age of barely 18, yes i lived in small city where "everyone" knew, and attitudes were really different. I were treated differently than others of my age. Good example is when my friend tried to get car stereo for test, no change. i wanted same on test and answer was "of course", i didnt know owner or anything like that. Only times i had visited in that shop was with that told friend. Other example is restaurant, friends of mine were watched for "run" lunches or something, i werent. Same age, same look, same financial situation, same history, same "knowing" by restaurant. only difference is i had done army and i were only one who were let to sit alone without supervision and this started when i first time visited with uniform on.
Thats reality i saw, like it or not but its truth. I was treated like man after service and that is fact, my friends who were same age were treated like childs.
Same came from my relatives, i were adult and could handle adult responsibilities and talk like adult to adult, nothing else changed than i did army.
Explain this? I dont believe all this were just coincidence...

Seems you have to be a finnish man to understand

[Hank W.]

[glorius]

Good example is when my friend tried to get car stereo for test, no change. i wanted same on test and answer was "of course", i didnt know owner or anything like that.

You could achieve even better results if you learned NLP well enough .
As an opposite example, I know a lot of stories when those 'tough' fathers have broken childhood for their sons and their future life as well, just because they were going to bring up a real man.

[Tiwaz]

Ah yes. Those stories...

Besides, you go to army when you are 18.

If you are still such a wuss that taking orders, behaving and having responsibilities breaks you...

You would have been better off in the loonie bin anyway.

[Profboby]

I think the age limit is 30 years, I support your idea of not being interested in wars, armies. I myself am not also interested. but with your age I think it will be difficult to escape it. can you continue with your indefinate permament residence till you turn 30 then apply for the citizenship so that it wont be required then. they will first give you the citizenship and after that they will tell you to go for the army training. you can relocate to other country and live freely there. I hear that if you dont want to go for the army training then you have to go for the social service for one year in the hospital etc, which will be better. I have been thinking about my turn because very soon in a few years I will be applying for the citizenship but i will be 30 by then..lucky me. dont be bothered about the others threat of not getting a job because the employer requires it. employers are not always interested in those, they are interested in you if you can do the job.

[Oombongo]

My question is basically for neutralized citizens. Others may reply.
When you were at job here, and when you went to mandatory army training for 6 months then how were you able to pay the rent and bills?
What if you served in army in your country of origin? Do you still need to go to Finnish army?

[Karhunkoski]

What if you served in army in your country of origin? Do you still need to go to Finnish army?

You don't need to go.

[Upphew]

My question is basically for neutralized citizens. Others may reply.
When you were at job here, and when you went to mandatory army training for 6 months then how were you able to pay the rent and bills?

Housing allowance

The housing allowance covers part of the housing costs of the conscript or his/her family member. The costs taken into account include rent, monthly maintenance charge, water, annual interest on housing loans and repayments of principal, electricity, gas and, in the case of single-family detached houses, the costs of regular upkeep.

http://www.kela.fi/in/internet/english. ... enDocument

As they say: army takes care of its own... the care might be different from your mothers care

Army is the last easy part of young man's life, you don't need to care or think, army does that for you. Just do as they say, don't be first or last and don't screw up.

[Travmies]

My opinion what its worth:

If you move to a country and become a citizen of that country the individual should try and integrate in that culture such as learning the language, the culture, the customs and laws of that country.

This is a priority of the immigrant – in this example Finland’s culture, custom and law says that every young man should do his 6 months in the army or 13 months for the state, but like someone said civil work is for gays and drug users.

Finland is not a supermarket were you can pick and choose the things you like doing. So, be a man and join the army and stop being a pussy.

[Pursuivant]

darn your man has become a finn

[onkko]

I checked what law says.

74 §
Varusmiespalveluksesta vapauttaminen toisessa valtiossa suoritetun palveluksen perusteella

Suomen kansalaiseksi otettu toisen valtion kansalainen sekä Suomen kansalainen, jolla on tai on ollut myös toisen valtion kansalaisuus, vapautetaan hakemuksesta varusmiespalveluksen suorittamisesta rauhan aikana, jos asianomainen on sanotussa valtiossa suorittanut asevelvollisen rauhanaikaiseen palvelusvelvollisuuteen kuuluvaa palvelusta vähintään neljä kuukautta.

Päätöksen 1 momentissa tarkoitetussa asiassa tekee aluetoimisto.

Valtioneuvoston asetuksella voidaan säätää tarkemmin 1 momentissa tarkoitetun hakemuksen tekemisestä ja käsittelemisestä.

Basicly if you have done atleast 4 months of army kind of service in your home country you get excuse to not do army in finland, you need to apply for that.
And thats only for peace time, if war comes your sorry ass is dragged in army
Asevelvollinen = Someone who has to use arms. Thats 18 to 60 year old males. And yes even if you do "siviilipalvelus" or "aseeton palvelus" or get out of system because of something your sorry ass will be in border if needed. Only excuse would be illness like asthma or missing leg etc (something what makes you not fit in army) will get you out of system, or not out out of it but in something less demanding.
Even if you dont do mandatory service youre part of finnish defence forces and you can be ordered to do your duty when needed.

87 §
Palveluksesta rauhan aikana vapautetun määrääminen palvelukseen

Asevelvollisuuden suorittamisesta rauhan aikana terveydellisestä syystä vapautettu asevelvollinen voidaan yleisen liikekannallepanon aikana määrätä kutsuntaan tai 26 §:ssä tarkoitettuun tarkastukseen sekä määrätä palvelukseen, jos hänet todetaan palveluskelpoiseksi.

88 §
Omantunnonsyiden perusteella kieltäytyvän palvelus

Asevelvollinen, joka on vapautettu tämän lain mukaisesta palveluksesta rauhan aikana vakaumukseen perustuvien omantunnonsyiden takia, voidaan liikekannallepanon aikana määrätä valmiuslaissa tarkoitettuun työhön.

Mitä 1 momentissa säädetään, sovelletaan myös 118 §:n 4 momentissa tarkoitettuun asevelvolliseen.

[Tonttu100]

Huoh kylla on porukalla ihme jutut.
Kuka sinne nyt armeijaan erikoisesti haluaa en ma ittekaan jos ei olis pakko...
tollaset paskan puhujat on raukkoi muutenkin.. iso on suu mut kun kova paikka tulee niin paskat on housus ja jossain esikunnas piileskelee..

To english speaking.

I was trying to explain to some of my countrymen that big mouth wont make you a man.
If there is war time they will find you something to do (new finns) to army if you are good for it if not you do something else work or anything usefull.
(you can choose in peace time to go ether into civil servise or army if you are medically incapable to go to army you are also freed from civil servise.)

[Jukka Aho]

My question is basically for neutralized citizens.

Oh, you mean the Former Enemies of the State...?