Applying for Citizenship 2024

[wb26]

They replied to me. Even though to be very precise, they of course didn't specify whether it was because of me coming without permit or anything else.

Interesting. I guess you don't have any criminal history (high speeding included etc) or suspicion. May I ask which country are you from?

I most certainly don't and my country is not on the list that previously existed.

This is so interesting/odd to me. I just cannot understand what the difference is between coming here on a tourist visa and then obtaining your residence permit (before the tourist visa expires), and getting your residence permit before moving to Finland. Do the background checks not hold the same weight? Is it a punishment for not following the standard procedures for moving here for work?

Migri’s website says that it is allowed to come to and work in Finland for up to 90 days for a specialist role, as long as you either have a visa or come from a visa free country: https://migri.fi/en/work-without-residence-permit

[TUserFin]

Interesting. I guess you don't have any criminal history (high speeding included etc) or suspicion. May I ask which country are you from?

I most certainly don't and my country is not on the list that previously existed.

This is so interesting/odd to me. I just cannot understand what the difference is between coming here on a tourist visa and then obtaining your residence permit (before the tourist visa expires), and getting your residence permit before moving to Finland. Do the background checks not hold the same weight? Is it a punishment for not following the standard procedures for moving here for work?

Migri’s website says that it is allowed to come to and work in Finland for up to 90 days for a specialist role, as long as you either have a visa or come from a visa free country: https://migri.fi/en/work-without-residence-permit

You nded to know how the system works. It has pre-conditions which are checked automatically. Based on those preconditions the program can assign you to long (for detailed inspection) or short queue. The system does not judge how great a person is, how much he/she makes, how beautiful her face and family prospects here etc. The Finland is still social country, no one gives you a prefeence based on how great or rich you are. If someone, for example, wants to be around rich people he/she can go to London or Dubai - I myself really want to stay here and dont want that type of culture here.


p.s. the Finns are very systematic, and process-oriented: every big corp and gov company like this. I really surprised that so many people don't know that and think that should be given a priority, i.e. the process should be real-time adjusted for them.

[wb26]

I most certainly don't and my country is not on the list that previously existed.

This is so interesting/odd to me. I just cannot understand what the difference is between coming here on a tourist visa and then obtaining your residence permit (before the tourist visa expires), and getting your residence permit before moving to Finland. Do the background checks not hold the same weight? Is it a punishment for not following the standard procedures for moving here for work?

Migri’s website says that it is allowed to come to and work in Finland for up to 90 days for a specialist role, as long as you either have a visa or come from a visa free country: https://migri.fi/en/work-without-residence-permit

You dont know how the system works. It has pre-conditions which are checked automatically. Based on those preconditions the program can assign you to long (for detailed inspection) or short queue. The system does not judge how great a person is, how much he/she makes, how beautiful her face and family prospects here etc. The Finland is still social country, no one gives you a prefeence based on how great or rich you are. If someone, for example, wants to be around rich people he/she can go to London or Dubai - I myself really want to stay here and dont want that type of culture here.

I agree with you. My point was not that a specialist deserves any special treatment. I only meant that a specialist should not be punished because they followed the rules allowed by Finland to come and work as a specialist. I also agree that I, nor any of us, know how migri assigns out applications to specific queues, so this is all speculation.

I enjoy the society and culture here very much, and appreciate the social safety nets that this country offers. I am happy my tax money is going to fund these programs and I hope they continue to assist the people of Finland for a very long time.

[TUserFin]

This is so interesting/odd to me. I just cannot understand what the difference is between coming here on a tourist visa and then obtaining your residence permit (before the tourist visa expires), and getting your residence permit before moving to Finland. Do the background checks not hold the same weight? Is it a punishment for not following the standard procedures for moving here for work?

Migri’s website says that it is allowed to come to and work in Finland for up to 90 days for a specialist role, as long as you either have a visa or come from a visa free country: https://migri.fi/en/work-without-residence-permit

You dont know how the system works. It has pre-conditions which are checked automatically. Based on those preconditions the program can assign you to long (for detailed inspection) or short queue. The system does not judge how great a person is, how much he/she makes, how beautiful her face and family prospects here etc. The Finland is still social country, no one gives you a prefeence based on how great or rich you are. If someone, for example, wants to be around rich people he/she can go to London or Dubai - I myself really want to stay here and dont want that type of culture here.

I agree with you. My point was not that a specialist deserves any special treatment. I only meant that a specialist should not be punished because they followed the rules allowed by Finland to come and work as a specialist. I also agree that I, nor any of us, know how migri assigns out applications to specific queues, so this is all speculation.

I enjoy the society and culture here very much, and appreciate the social safety nets that this country offers. I am happy my tax money is going to fund these programs and I hope they continue to assist the people of Finland for a very long time.

I know how they assign it. It is done automatically based on some checks (I dont know those checks but I can guess - travel history, etc) I know it because migri told me that.

The system worked well before, but now with spikes of application their system needs a review, this might not look fair when some people get citezenship in 7 months others in 23-30 months. But I see that some people recently got citezenship in 20 months. So, maybe they started to do smth ...

[wb26]

You dont know how the system works. It has pre-conditions which are checked automatically. Based on those preconditions the program can assign you to long (for detailed inspection) or short queue. The system does not judge how great a person is, how much he/she makes, how beautiful her face and family prospects here etc. The Finland is still social country, no one gives you a prefeence based on how great or rich you are. If someone, for example, wants to be around rich people he/she can go to London or Dubai - I myself really want to stay here and dont want that type of culture here.

I agree with you. My point was not that a specialist deserves any special treatment. I only meant that a specialist should not be punished because they followed the rules allowed by Finland to come and work as a specialist. I also agree that I, nor any of us, know how migri assigns out applications to specific queues, so this is all speculation.

I enjoy the society and culture here very much, and appreciate the social safety nets that this country offers. I am happy my tax money is going to fund these programs and I hope they continue to assist the people of Finland for a very long time.

I know how they assign it. It is done automatically based on some checks (I dont know those checks but I can guess - travel history, etc) I know it because migri told me that.

The system worked well before, but now with spikes of application their system needs a review, this might not look fair when some people get citezenship in 7 months others in 23-30 months. But I see that some people recently got citezenship in 20 months. So, maybe they started to do smth ...

Yeah that makes sense. I am certainly not complaining about having to wait the standard time. I hope all of us in this thread (and all applications in general) can get a decision as quick as possible, and I hope migri is able to increase there resources even more to help process these. I’m in this for the long haul, but it does not make the process less stressful, and I constantly play the “what if” game with my own application.

[TUserFin]

Yeah that makes sense. I am certainly not complaining about having to wait the standard time. I hope all of us in this thread (and all applications in general) can get a decision as quick as possible, and I hope migri is able to increase there resources even more to help process these. I’m in this for the long haul, but it does not make the process less stressful, and I constantly play the “what if” game with my own application.

We are in the same boat here... I have this what If in my head for 11 months, and still one year ahead. But it looks like this what if started to decline, I understood that I cannot spend so many emotions, started to develop my business harder (by the way, Im enterpreneur, and that is why probably also waiting for a long time). I always think that if Im poor and have finnish passport, the life still will be mean, but if Im rich and get passport, I will be a big winner.

Also, if some risks are very high, you can also consult lawyer here, maybe the lawyer here to prepare, maybe they are not bad as they look like.

[quillcentaur]

Interesting. I guess you don't have any criminal history (high speeding included etc) or suspicion. May I ask which country are you from?

I most certainly don't and my country is not on the list that previously existed.

This is so interesting/odd to me. I just cannot understand what the difference is between coming here on a tourist visa and then obtaining your residence permit (before the tourist visa expires), and getting your residence permit before moving to Finland. Do the background checks not hold the same weight? Is it a punishment for not following the standard procedures for moving here for work?

Migri’s website says that it is allowed to come to and work in Finland for up to 90 days for a specialist role, as long as you either have a visa or come from a visa free country: https://migri.fi/en/work-without-residence-permit

I agree with Anna. The 30 months thing you got is just a template. I guess they figured they should write that so we don't keep on bothering them. It doesn't matter even if you come here on tourist visa. A lot of people I know arrived on tourist visa and changed to family/work later. Many got citizenship within the normal time frame. If it's taking longer than usual, it seems like it's because of other background checks/info.

BTW, has anyone heard if December 2023 applicants were already given decisions? Someone I know from EU hasn't yet so no idea if they still do 6-7 months at all.

[phungxuanton]

I most certainly don't and my country is not on the list that previously existed.

This is so interesting/odd to me. I just cannot understand what the difference is between coming here on a tourist visa and then obtaining your residence permit (before the tourist visa expires), and getting your residence permit before moving to Finland. Do the background checks not hold the same weight? Is it a punishment for not following the standard procedures for moving here for work?

Migri’s website says that it is allowed to come to and work in Finland for up to 90 days for a specialist role, as long as you either have a visa or come from a visa free country: https://migri.fi/en/work-without-residence-permit

I agree with Anna. The 30 months thing you got is just a template. I guess they figured they should write that so we don't keep on bothering them. It doesn't matter even if you come here on tourist visa. A lot of people I know arrived on tourist visa and changed to family/work later. Many got citizenship within the normal time frame. If it's taking longer than usual, it seems like it's because of other background checks/info.

BTW, has anyone heard if December 2023 applicants were already given decisions? Someone I know from EU hasn't yet so no idea if they still do 6-7 months at all.

It feels like they haven't processed any applications these days lol maybe cause we can't even track the queue anymore

[Zfr]

I most certainly don't and my country is not on the list that previously existed.

This is so interesting/odd to me. I just cannot understand what the difference is between coming here on a tourist visa and then obtaining your residence permit (before the tourist visa expires), and getting your residence permit before moving to Finland. Do the background checks not hold the same weight? Is it a punishment for not following the standard procedures for moving here for work?

Migri’s website says that it is allowed to come to and work in Finland for up to 90 days for a specialist role, as long as you either have a visa or come from a visa free country: https://migri.fi/en/work-without-residence-permit

I agree with Anna. The 30 months thing you got is just a template. I guess they figured they should write that so we don't keep on bothering them. It doesn't matter even if you come here on tourist visa. A lot of people I know arrived on tourist visa and changed to family/work later. Many got citizenship within the normal time frame. If it's taking longer than usual, it seems like it's because of other background checks/info.

BTW, has anyone heard if December 2023 applicants were already given decisions? Someone I know from EU hasn't yet so no idea if they still do 6-7 months at all.

Applied on 20th December 2023, waiting for processing.

[Dreamheart]

Hi ! I like to share what I got email reply from imigri I was I asked them why my application late almost 27month and give me a estimate time when will be process so they reply me this
Hakemuksesi odottaa vielä käsittelyä. Pyydämme sinua odottamaan rauhassa päätöstä ja seuraamaan hakemuksesi käsittelyä Enter Finland tililtäsi. Maahanmuuttovirasto on sinuun tarvittaessa yhteydessä. Valitettavasti kansalaisuushakemusten käsittely on ruuhkautunut ja arvioitu käsittelyaika hakemuksellesi on 31 kuukautta, käsittelyaika lasketaan siitä päivästä, kun kävit tunnistautumassa palvelupisteellä.



Huomaathan että lapsesi oleskeluluvan ja passin tulee olla myös voimassa sillä hetkellä kun kansalaisuushakemukseen tehdään päätös. Hae lapsellesi oleskelulupaa mahdollisimman pian. Täältä löydät ohjeet hakemukselle:


I like to aske anyone here can say that can I apply only resident permit for my baby it's cost again 260 Euro
I don't want to request the passport from my home country because I want to keep baby Finland citizenship
If I request my home country passport it's long process and I should pay for it it's cost me much I have to fly Sweden lot of things so I ask here if anyone can say I can apply only resident permit with her birth certificate?
Please advise me
Thank you

One more thing I like to request everyone here do not apply from Helsinki imigri apply it outside Helsinki that your process work quick now I have to wait for 31month

[TUserFin]

Hi ! I like to share what I got email reply from imigri I was I asked them why my application late almost 27month and give me a estimate time when will be process so they reply me this
Hakemuksesi odottaa vielä käsittelyä. Pyydämme sinua odottamaan rauhassa päätöstä ja seuraamaan hakemuksesi käsittelyä Enter Finland tililtäsi. Maahanmuuttovirasto on sinuun tarvittaessa yhteydessä. Valitettavasti kansalaisuushakemusten käsittely on ruuhkautunut ja arvioitu käsittelyaika hakemuksellesi on 31 kuukautta, käsittelyaika lasketaan siitä päivästä, kun kävit tunnistautumassa palvelupisteellä.



Huomaathan että lapsesi oleskeluluvan ja passin tulee olla myös voimassa sillä hetkellä kun kansalaisuushakemukseen tehdään päätös. Hae lapsellesi oleskelulupaa mahdollisimman pian. Täältä löydät ohjeet hakemukselle:


I like to aske anyone here can say that can I apply only resident permit for my baby it's cost again 260 Euro
I don't want to request the passport from my home country because I want to keep baby Finland citizenship
If I request my home country passport it's long process and I should pay for it it's cost me much I have to fly Sweden lot of things so I ask here if anyone can say I can apply only resident permit with her birth certificate?
Please advise me
Thank you

One more thing I like to request everyone here do not apply from Helsinki imigri apply it outside Helsinki that your process work quick now I have to wait for 31month

What estimate they gave you before? 29 moths? Feels that you are in the longest queue; for refugees and ppl who came without residence pass etc. and they increased time in that queue.

[Guess.who]

Hi ! I like to share what I got email reply from imigri I was I asked them why my application late almost 27month and give me a estimate time when will be process so they reply me this
Hakemuksesi odottaa vielä käsittelyä. Pyydämme sinua odottamaan rauhassa päätöstä ja seuraamaan hakemuksesi käsittelyä Enter Finland tililtäsi. Maahanmuuttovirasto on sinuun tarvittaessa yhteydessä. Valitettavasti kansalaisuushakemusten käsittely on ruuhkautunut ja arvioitu käsittelyaika hakemuksellesi on 31 kuukautta, käsittelyaika lasketaan siitä päivästä, kun kävit tunnistautumassa palvelupisteellä.



Huomaathan että lapsesi oleskeluluvan ja passin tulee olla myös voimassa sillä hetkellä kun kansalaisuushakemukseen tehdään päätös. Hae lapsellesi oleskelulupaa mahdollisimman pian. Täältä löydät ohjeet hakemukselle:


I like to aske anyone here can say that can I apply only resident permit for my baby it's cost again 260 Euro
I don't want to request the passport from my home country because I want to keep baby Finland citizenship
If I request my home country passport it's long process and I should pay for it it's cost me much I have to fly Sweden lot of things so I ask here if anyone can say I can apply only resident permit with her birth certificate?
Please advise me
Thank you

One more thing I like to request everyone here do not apply from Helsinki imigri apply it outside Helsinki that your process work quick now I have to wait for 31month

In simple words:

Please understand that if you want your baby to get Finnish citizenship, you must have her passport and a valid Finnish residence permit (RP) for Migri to process the application.

Migri won't process the application without a valid passport and RP.

You are missing important information. It's not a choice; these documents are required, and your application will be delayed if your baby is a co-applicant.

I recall that you asked about this earlier, and I'm surprised you still assume Migri will process and grant citizenship without a valid RP and passport.

Even her RP will not get processed without valid passport. If you apply for RP only.

Take it seriously!

Regards,

[big_foot]

Hi everyone,

I've been following this forum for a while, but never posted any messages.
Now I want to share my story.

I applied for citizenship in the middle of January 2023.
On 05.07.2024 I got a notification that my application has moved to stage 2.
No updates so far.

I also saw that a few people from end 2022 and beginning 2023 posted that their applications moved to the second stage.
Honestly, that was quite surprising, because I expected my application to start processing closer to the end of this year (about 23 months after I applied).
It seems that there were some changes in the migri's process about 1.5 weeks ago.
Hope that my application will not get stuck in the second stage and will be processed soon.

Good luck to everyone waiting and hope that all of us will be processed soon!

[magdali]

I have applied for my citizenship and identifies myself in April 2024. I have a "typical' application (studied in Finland and wormed here), but I dont have a PR yet. My permit expires in March 2025, should I apply for a PR or work based permit ? The work based is issurd within couple of months and PR processing time is longer.

[Scotabroad]

Hi everyone,

I've been following this forum for a while, but never posted any messages.
Now I want to share my story.

I applied for citizenship in the middle of January 2023.
On 05.07.2024 I got a notification that my application has moved to stage 2.
No updates so far.

I also saw that a few people from end 2022 and beginning 2023 posted that their applications moved to the second stage.
Honestly, that was quite surprising, because I expected my application to start processing closer to the end of this year (about 23 months after I applied).
It seems that there were some changes in the migri's process about 1.5 weeks ago.
Hope that my application will not get stuck in the second stage and will be processed soon.

Good luck to everyone waiting and hope that all of us will be processed soon!

This is exciting news, I applied near the end of Jan 2023 and like you I thought it might come at the end of the year - fingers crossed!!