British citizen moving to finland in august

[blaugrau]

one last note concerning the order of the bureaucratic fun: after you have found a job, the first thing you do is register with the police (where you'll have to show your work contract). They'll give you some kind of a receipt that you've paid the 40 €, and only then can you register with the maistraatti (they will ask for this receipt the police gave you), where you get your (initially always) temporary personal ID/henkilötunnus..

[Hank W.]

Well, the Vantaa police atleast told us to piss off and come back *after* having a first paycheck in the bank and a rental agreement, within 3 months. The maistraatti promised to make the temporary registration and give the number just based on the employment contract (though its been 10 days and they said "its in the mail")

[peppetto]

As I know ,somebody -or the boss or the worker himself must go to the Employer Office to give the documents ,that you have already work in that firm.But can you tell me,usaully who one really do this?So,presuming ,that I find a job in Finland proper or !"#¤%-I must go to Tampere`s Employer`s office?http://www.mol.fi/mol/en/02_working/05_ ... /index.jsp - Tampereen työvoimatoimisto

[Hank W.]

No, thats the place you go to say "I want work" and they say "look in the internet".

[blaugrau]

@ hank: oh that's funny, seems like (as always) it depends a lot on the individual bureaucrats or something? The information I got last autumn was police->maistratti->tax office. On the maistratti-website they explain the procedures similarly (however, only in the Finnish version..):

http://www.maistraatti.fi ->Kotikunta- ja väestötiedot ->Henkilötunnus ->Miten henkilötunnus annetaan?

But I guess in the end it can always be different too, seems like they primarily want you to run around in circles. However, find the bureaucracy here in Finland much easier to deal with than e.g. certain aspects of UK's..

[Hank W.]

Yes well I told the Vantaa Maistraatti to call the Vantaa Police and explain that to them. The Vantaa Police was adamant in the "piss off" aspect. They won't register an EU citizen before they have a proof of livelihood and a rental agreement.

[peppetto]

hank ,I think ,that you have old information!As I red,the foreigners,who have already found a job-for example-if the foreigner has a job in Uusikaupunki and all my documents be in order-fully ready- in towns[regional] Employntment office,the last thing that the he himself or his emploeyr must do is:somebody of them to go to bring all work documents-like job contract to the regional office-in this case in Employntment office in Tampere.I understand in this way the written from the site.

[Hank W.]

Ah, yes, no, now I understand what you mean. This is the "control" law they implemented. The "new EU" countries citizens do not need a work permit, but the employer must register that he has employed a "new EU" worker and provide the information on the work contract and conditions, so they are not exploited.

[daryl]

Ah, yes, no, now I understand what you mean. This is the "control" law they implemented. The "new EU" countries citizens do not need a work permit, but the employer must register that he has employed a "new EU" worker and provide the information on the work contract and conditions, so they are not exploited.

A reference to this "control law" would be useful if you have it. The Administration Committee of Parliament specifically removed a similar proposed provision from the government bill for the 2004 Aliens Act, reasoning that EU citizens did not need such protection (naturally they didn't bother to examine the actual treatment of EU migrant workers, or even to watch the first couple of episodes of Näkemiin vaan muru).

daryl

[Hank W.]

Here ya goes

[daryl]

Here ya goes

Thanks.

Not sure that this means quite what you take it to mean, though.

daryl

[Hank W.]

Well, it is another headache for the employer, another good excuse not to hire anyone "straight off the boat", as it says if the person's been registered by the police as an EU national does not fit into the category...

[peppetto]

is it the same and a true:http://www.mol.fi/mol/en/02_working/05_ ... /index.jsp

[sinikettu]

Well, it is another headache for the employer, another good excuse not to hire anyone "straight off the boat", as it says if the person's been registered by the police as an EU national does not fit into the category...

No notification is necessary, however, if the duration of the employment is less than 14 days or if the Police already has registered the employee's right of residence.


Umm..Found this list of links to available pdf in English..quite a collection.
http://www.mol.fi/mol/fi/99_pdf/fi/04_m ... nglish.pdf

[SaxonManFinland]

I turned up nearly 3 years ago just with me socks, an EU passport and a Finnish Girlfriend (she was living working here)

Problem1..........EU in general meant NOTHING to most people, all I heard was Its Not the Finnish WaY !!!!

After that, I registered as unemployed and was told it would be better to be Russian because they knew how to deal with Russian Immigrants However I needed a Security number and at the Police Station (which also deals with Passports, licences and tons of other stuff) a lady with brains said "No Problem" as an EU Citizen you have rights here as at home. Two weeks later Full ID Card.unemployment took 6 months to sort out but eventually I got what I was entitled to, but the MINIMUM according to Finnish thinking.

Bought a house and got a 2000 euro Income tax bill, before I got my ID, actually before I was even registered here.

The laws about your RIGHTS as an EU Citizen are new to most Finns depending where you live of course. Helsinki will be easier than the wildness towns.

If possible get registered as Unemployed in a EU country before coming here.sounds strange but it is easier. Currently I recieve 2 Euro a day less tax, but would /should be entitled to 30 odd euro a day. It is means tested, because my wife works and I WAS NOT claiming in UK (didnt bother as I was jobless 2 weeks before I came)

YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND your rights etc, and not rely on Finnish Social System to help, because 1 they wont and 2 they do not really know anyway. Good pampletts available from DHSS in UK about your rights abroad. GET IT !!!

Finnaly as a plus 55 year old, it states I cannot be means tested when claiming Unemployment.......BUT according to local SS Office, this does not count because 1 I am a foreigner, 2 I was not unemployed in UK and 3 I have not worked for 365 days in Finland and paid into a trades union here.....It goes on and gets frustrating, but the moral is You need to understand your rights and push a lot.