Nurses threaten with mass resignations

[simon]

have to apply for their old job back with all risks involved of not being accepted. Plus of course if one resigns = 3 months non Kela help....

So if they dont give it to the nurses who do they give the jobs too. THERE AREN'T any nurses. That is justg scare tack ticks.

[sinikettu]

have to apply for their old job back with all risks involved of not being accepted. Plus of course if one resigns = 3 months non Kela help....

So if they dont give it to the nurses who do they give the jobs too. THERE AREN'T any nurses. That is justg scare tack ticks.

Scare tactic are being played by both sides....with the Ilta Rags help...

1: If you.."The Hospitals" dont gives us "the Nurses" 25% pay rise we all resign and the "The Hospitals" are then in deep problems.

2: If you "The nurses" resign..then we "the hospitals" can decide which of you we employ after the strike ends.

Who are the piggies in the middle.??.The sick....

[Rosamunda]

TBOMK Finnish system is same as UK...or it was...not been with any nurses for a long time

Three years on the job/ward training...with 2 days a week in the class-room. Tough theory and practical exams...if passed gets "Staff Nurse/SRN" status. Finland has similar status but cannot remember what SRN = Suomeksi...State Registered Nurse??
There are all sorts of specialist courses and qualification e.g. Theatre Sister..Maternity...District Nurse....but Masters degree??

In the UK education for nurses is provided by the universities with placements in a local hospital. The course is 50/50 theory/practice. First year is the Common Foundation Programme then you specialise in adult/children/ mental etc. A full-time diploma course (state-funded, not means tested) lasts three years, a degree course (grant is means tested but study fees are paid) is 3-4 years. There are also cadet nurses who generally start out with no qualifications (or less than the university entrance requirement) and they work their way through. Starting salary depends on qualifications and specialities. Average starting pay (gross) would be abour £12-15 K (without London allowance etc). SRN's are now called First Level Nurses.

[Amandine.K]

I will be a Registered Nurse here from December 21st. I have studied here.

We study for 3 years and a half, theory and practical training (though we do have more theory). We end up with a BA in Nursing. That is the minimum requirement to be a Sairaanhoitaja. Then you can keep going til PhD if you feel like it!

There is a shortage of nurses but I found that it was only in some specialty. Nurses wanting to specialized in Surgical nursing (in the operating room) are not that hard to find, a lot of students want to go into this specialty. Then take Geriatric and Pediatric care and it's a whole different story.

[Amandine.K]

Oh and at the end of our schooling we are not specialized at all like let's say in the UK. We get general knowledge and are able to work in whatever wards.

[Rosamunda]

Amandine K. are you Finnish? Are you studying on a Finnish course? When you have your BA do you then have to "register" or is registration included in the degree? How long is the probation period? How do you find a job once you have qualified or are you automatically placed in a nursing post?

[Karhunkoski]

[sinikettu]

International Hesa now adds the details that I mentioned earlier..

http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Legal+ ... 5231071697

Tehy is taking the resignation route, because it relieves the nurses of the obligation to maintain a minimum level of care at hospitals.
However, employers will be under no legal obligation to take the nurses back to work. Lacking de jure job security under those circumstances, the union is counting on a de facto job security based on member solidarity and an existing shortage of nurses.

[Amandine.K]

Amandine K. are you Finnish? Are you studying on a Finnish course? When you have your BA do you then have to "register" or is registration included in the degree? How long is the probation period? How do you find a job once you have qualified or are you automatically placed in a nursing post?

No I'm French. I study in English in Stadia. We start the registration process a month before graduation (as you must have completed all the units one month prior registration). I have no idea about the probation period, I know that most hospitals will hire nurses on a temporary contract that will be renewed numerous times and after about 2 or 3 years then you'll become permanent. To find a job you either apply when there's an open position (and there are many, Tehy sent a magazine every month where you have about 10 pages just for nursing job offers). Most of the time students had a job offered while they were on a clinical training placement. I know that some young RN applied to work in a specific ward in let's say Lastenklinikka and ended up in a different ward so it's more a question of applying to one hospital I would say.

[Rosamunda]

How good is your Finnish.... will you be looking for a job in FInland? Are you confident that you can get a job with your level of Finnish? Are there many men training as nurses? How does the training compare to France (harder, more competitive, more general????)

Thanks for all the info.

PS: weren't you teaching English at the Ecole Jules Verne or am I confusing you with someone else? Only I saw the school is advertising (for an English teacher) again.

[sinikettu]

Now it is making the BBC News..


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7046852.stm

[Amandine.K]

How good is your Finnish.... will you be looking for a job in FInland? Are you confident that you can get a job with your level of Finnish? Are there many men training as nurses? How does the training compare to France (harder, more competitive, more general????)

Thanks for all the info.

PS: weren't you teaching English at the Ecole Jules Verne or am I confusing you with someone else? Only I saw the school is advertising (for an English teacher) again.

My Finnish is very poor hence I'm not looking for a job before I feel confident enough I will not misunderstand anything. In my class there are 4 men for about 10 women. The training is easier compared to France. It's less technical I would say. In France the mentality is so that you become a nurse to do injections, take blood samples, put IV canulas. They are not interested about holistic care or talking to patients that much. And they have no clue about family-centered care either. I prefer the way things are done here, you can always learn the technical skills in depth when you're working. There's no shame here about not knowing how to do something while in France it would be a crime! We learn much more about how to treat patients as a whole rather than just focus on the pathology or treatment.
And no I wasn't teaching at Jules Verne, though my daughters attend the school.

[odon]

I work in the health sector, and i support these nurses, their salary is a pitance, compared to the doc's and dentist's, not even half to the doc's, now if you see the price rise in all the goods, and all metal workers and more get better pay, this is the right way ...to demand for a better pay.

i hope they get it.

can u imagine in sweden, they get € 3100 basic and an equivalent finnish nurse something like 2000, so the 500€ they demand is not so much!!

[sammy]

I work in the health sector, and i support these nurses, their salary is a pitance, compared to the doc's and dentist's, not even half to the doc's

..not to mention brain or heart surgeons.

I do agree, there should be some additional pay for nurses but perhaps it's unfair to compare their wages to those of doctors and dentists who've had to study considerably longer and more extensively.

The above with no disrespect to a nurse's job, mind you! Not sure if I'd be up to it myself.

(Nurses get 3000€ in Sweden? Clucking bell, I've picked a wrong profession money-wise!)

[Karhunkoski]

I work in the health sector, and i support these nurses, their salary is a pitance, compared to the doc's and dentist's, not even half to the doc's, now if you see the price rise in all the goods, and all metal workers and more get better pay, this is the right way ...to demand for a better pay.

i hope they get it.

can u imagine in sweden, they get € 3100 basic and an equivalent finnish nurse something like 2000, so the 500€ they demand is not so much!!

On the whole I agree with you, nurses should be paid more.

However......

Doctors of course will be paid much more than nurses, their training is longer and not everyone is bright enough to be a doctor. The differential between Doc/Nurses wages here in Finland is smaller than some other places in Europe.

If the whole country gets big pay rises, it will fuel inflation, meaning all prices go up. Restricting pay rises isnt always about the government just being mean (I started an explanation of economics but it would take too long, sorry)

The comparison between Swedish and Finnish nurses is difficult to make. You cannot look at the headline-grabbing figures, I saw some in Iltalehti last week and they were not comparing apples with apples....

The tax in Sweden is different to Finland. I read one case where the Swedish nurse had a higher gross pay than a Finn, but took home less due to higher taxation.


I agree with you that nurses deserve more money but not for the reasons you have given. I know people who also work in the health sector and they feel like every year they are told that they need to tighten their belts, that there isn't any money in the pot for them, to stick at it, to be flexible, etc, etc. They then see other sectors getting better deals whilst they wipe crap from peoples pants for small money. No wonder they are angry and good luck to them, I hope they get their deal.