Goverment threat to Tehy

[littlefrank]

'It says the 24% raise would raise the costs by 1 billion. The nurses already rejected the 12,7% raise which would have risen the costs by 536 million €. As I said, the nurses demand a bit too much'

How many billions have the government saved by paying crap wages over the years?

What constitutes a crisis, a shortage of nurses?

'No you can't resign to go to your better paid job because we have a shortage of nurses, fill out form B6113 and we will let you resign when we have found a replacement for you.


How long before the proposed legislation is extended to other workers?

[raamv]

How long before the proposed legislation is extended to other workers?

Hmm This was exactly the same thing that we were thinking last nite..it could pretty much be used in ANY profession for ANY kind of strike or work-stoppage that the Government deems inappropriate!!

[raamv]

I wonder if the nurses are forced to work, that they could come in for the first day, and then hand in a 2 weeks notice to quit(again), despite the fact that they already did? I wonder how the law will be worded ? Interesting and scary!!

[sinikettu]

Now this will test the Nurses resolve..and also test just how deep are Tehy's cash reserves..

The union's mass resignation campaign will cost it about 700,000 euros a day.
Tehy is to levy an extraordinary membership fee of 25 euros a day for a fortnight, (350 €uro from each member), to cover part of the costs of the mass resignation.


http://virtual.finland.fi/stt/showartic ... up=General

[ajdias]

Of course, all the extra money that the nurses earn will go straight back into the economy, either through income tax or simply through an increase in purchasing power (eg nurses buying stuff with their extra cash).

Or an increase in prices of certain goods like housing due to higher demand, and as a result most other people will lose purchasing power.
Also, once the nurses get their way other professionals will ask for their share of the cake. This whole process might result in a transfer of wealth to certain groups who can leverage their power and skills to demand higher salaries.

[simon]

Of course, all the extra money that the nurses earn will go straight back into the economy, either through income tax or simply through an increase in purchasing power (eg nurses buying stuff with their extra cash).

Or an increase in prices of certain goods like housing due to higher demand, and as a result most other people will lose purchasing power.

Do you really think that because the nurses will have an extra few hundred euros in the bank that this will happen. Collectively it maybe a large amount of money, individually its not.

[littlefrank]

'This whole process might result in a transfer of wealth to certain groups who can leverage their power and skills to demand higher salaries.'

MP's, lawyers...

They said the 8 hour day and the employment of women would be detrimental to the economy.

If the nurses had 'power' they would not be in the position they're in now, where they have to threaten mass resignation to get decent pay. Despite what the 'tabloids' say, no one likes to go on strike, but some workers reach a point where there is no other option.

[sinikettu]

Saving Face...nobody wants to back down....Neither TEHY or the Nurses can afford to strike...
http://virtual.finland.fi/stt/showartic ... up=General

But come Monday....IF there is no back down by one side or the other ...

Then I have a horrible feeling that the strike will happen.

I have a even worst feeling that it will result in a tragedy....


Just one death will be enough to swing the press/public opinion full scale deflection..but who will they blame?
TEHY...the Nurses....The present government....The SDP/previous government for the past 10+ years. All want to save face...all point at someone else.

It will add to the recent bad international publicity that Finland got from that school tragedy..

Save the face of Finland someone, back down a bit.....no more tragic deaths..not as part of a trade dispute...please...

[simon]

http://www.yle.fi/news/left/id75107.html

Employers Criticise Pay Demands

The Commission for Local Authority Employers says pay demands by Tehy are double those compared to other local government employees.

They estimate the union's demand for a 24 percent pay rise would increase salaries by 600 to 870 euros per month. This would represent a monthly pay cheque of over 3,100 euros.

I really would love that monthly cheque to be true. I think them gross figures quoted are for the head nurses and not for your regular nurses.

Oh and it just for the record the nurses that will be forced back to work will earn more per shift than their usual pay

[littlefrank]

'President Tarja Halonen is due to sign a law on patient safety that would demand nurses to work in certain circumstances.'


'Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen hoped talks on finding a settlement could proceed against a peaceful backdrop.'

mmmmh

[sinikettu]

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'Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen hoped talks on finding a settlement could proceed against a peaceful backdrop.'

mmmmh

Matti can have front row view of what is going on now..
He was taken ill last night and is now in Hospital..
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotim ... id=1455310

[Rosamunda]

Of course, all the extra money that the nurses earn will go straight back into the economy, either through income tax or simply through an increase in purchasing power (eg nurses buying stuff with their extra cash).

Or an increase in prices of certain goods like housing due to higher demand, and as a result most other people will lose purchasing power.

The main reason purchasing power could go down in 2008 is the increase tax on diesel fuel. WHY WHY WHY???? You only have to look at the topography of Finland to realise that almost everything we buy has a diesel cost embedded. Transport costs are one of the main reasons why the cost of living is higher in Finland than in other parts of Europe. And public transport prices are bound to be put up to offset the fuel costs too. So it will cost more to get to work.... loss of purchasing power.

The net impact of the increase in the tax on diesel will have a far greater negative effect on the economy than anything the nurses would get. Katajainen's economics are all over the place. IMO.

[simon]

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'Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen hoped talks on finding a settlement could proceed against a peaceful backdrop.'

mmmmh

Matti can have front row view of what is going on now..
He was taken ill last night and is now in Hospital..
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotim ... id=1455310

Karma man

[sinikettu]

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'Prime Minister Matti Vanhanen hoped talks on finding a settlement could proceed against a peaceful backdrop.'

mmmmh

Matti can have front row view of what is going on now..
He was taken ill last night and is now in Hospital..
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/uutiset/kotim ... id=1455310

Karma man

Now in English..
http://www.yle.fi/news/id75153.html

[littlefrank]