newcomers in finland...

[hackoff]

if u ever been to wonderful California of course, which i really doubt but anyway

The beauty of Death Valley and Joshua Tree are in the eye of the beholder.

Now you know where the Joshua Tree is. Would have helped last night.

Why , how ?

[catfish78]

The beauty of Death Valley and Joshua Tree are in the eye of the beholder.

Now you know where the Joshua Tree is. Would have helped last night.

Why , how ?

pub quiz question.

[Tiwaz]

dear Hank first of all it is very clear to me that the country where you live in is not USA... NOT by far far, trust me! if u ever been to wonderful California of course, which i really doubt but anyway second of all i have bad news for you, Finland does employee "illegal" workers, the way you call foreing hard working people that some how make your country better, by the way i just met someone that didn't need a work permit to find a job there... and thirdly if i get a job without the proper paper-work while in Finland why would they deport the employer to Mexico???? a fine may apply but going from that to sending the employer to a foreign country doesn't make a lot of sence to me don't be so ingnorant,try to think before you write... ok pumpkin!!!! jajaja

ps. by the way i probably love Finland so much for the good job it did producing beautiful girls like my girlfriend who is by far far hotter than any girl you'll ever get dear Hank!!

thanx everybody for the info and everybody's welcome to California or Baja any time you guys wish (don't worry we are not as difficult jeje)

-isma-+

Apparently you do not grasp how thing works. You come to Finland and look for work without permit = your ass deported as soon as you try to apply for permit.

You trying to apply for permit ANYWHERE without having job lined up will have you laughed at, and if it takes place in Finland your ass is again deported.

Only way your non-EU ass is not deported if you get a job and apply for residence permit from Mexico. Basically, someone must hire you first, then you must apply from Mexico. You cannot apply from Finland.

Trying will have your ass deported.

But then question is, who wants to hire you? What so special skills you have that would compensate trouble employer would have to see to have you granted permission to remain in Finland and other problems resulting?

[jessesuomi]

If you have a finnish GF have her help, it should be not so hard as some people think for you to get into some restaurant work. However it will be much easier away from the city areas. And now is the time, like, yesterday kind of by now... to reply to all of the summer restaurants looking for kitchen help and such. With this work sector you really dont need any kind of education papers, in some ways not even for the cooking spots if you have any experience in that. Sadly the level of education in the cooking skills is still very low compared to international standards so its kind of easy to get in there. The islands that stretch along the coast from basically Helsinki to Åland is a good place to start to look as many of those also provide housing which makes the government worry a bit less. Lappland also hires quite many in the ski/tourist centers. Some actually prefer to hire foriegners to give a bit more international flavor. These hotels also have connections to others in the country so if you work well then it is somewhat easier to move from within from one place to another.
It is truly kind of unfair for persons to say it is nearly impossible to gain a job here. Maybe in some sectors and such it is harder yes, but nobody is an expert in all the inner workings of each sector. I for example have no papers or education from an institution of higher learning for the sector in which I work yet I had no trouble what so ever finding work, never have. Conversely you need to also keep in mind that when and if you make it here, that it is not "home" and one has to accept the rules and proceedures that make this place what it is.
Good luck

[shrecher]

as a mexican we dont need anything extra but a passport but with that you can only stay in the country for approx. 3 months,

Sad that from such very far country people come without visa for 3m and people from neighbor country -- Russia should stay in long queue to visit at Xmas for few day. In the same time, Russia is one of major trade and business partners of this country and many people across both sides of the border must went via complicated procedure of visa application to visit one of country with social or business purposes. Something should be improved.

[Hank W.]

Never heard of "familiarity breeds contempt" Its an EU-issue these days with Schengen, after Finland joined in theres very little to do with bilateral agreements.

As Jesse said, after the OP get´s a RP for staying, a job is more likely to follow. Getting a RP for a dishwasher is highly illusionary.

[Hank W.]

Now you know where the Joshua Tree is. Would have helped last night.

I get it mixed up with Area 51...OK, OK, so driving wrong direction on 15 gimme a break... darn desert looks all the same anyways

[raamv]

if u ever been to wonderful California of course, which i really doubt but anyway

The beauty of Death Valley and Joshua Tree are in the eye of the beholder.

Now you know where the Joshua Tree is. Would have helped last night.

he knew it after the fact... err many pints..

[raamv]

Now you know where the Joshua Tree is. Would have helped last night.

I get it mixed up with Area 51...OK, OK, so driving wrong direction on 15 gimme a break... darn desert looks all the same anyways

The north is always Up, the south always down and the east and west can be on either side depending on the eye of the beerholder!!

[hackoff]

Now you know where the Joshua Tree is. Would have helped last night.

I get it mixed up with Area 51...OK, OK, so driving wrong direction on 15 gimme a break... darn desert looks all the same anyways

The north is always Up, the south always down and the east and west can be on either side depending on the eye of the beerholder!!

was it KOFF effect-?

[rinso]

If you have a finnish GF have her help, it should be not so hard as some people think for you to get into some restaurant work.

Networking indeed. Especially if you concentrate on restaurants owned by foreigners (Spanish/Mexican).
But than again as Hank said, the paperwork might prove the big problem.

However it will be much easier away from the city areas.

The countryside is not known as a big opportunity for foreigners.

With this work sector you really dont need any kind of education papers, in some ways not even for the cooking spots if you have any experience in that.

The minimum requirement is the hygiene certificate. I doubt if you could get the Finnish certificate in Mexico.

It is truly kind of unfair for persons to say it is nearly impossible to gain a job here. Maybe in some sectors and such it is harder yes,

Not impossible, but without Finnish difficult indeed. It is more the other way around. Some sectors (niche jobs) are easy.
And some people have the knack of securing jobs, but it's not the norm.
Please don't start another "positive thinking/it's not difficult" type of discussion. We had one every month or so.

[Hank W.]

I don't think the issue is as much "getting a job once you are here" is the "difficult" part. Getting a residence permit for a "job nobody else unemployed in Finland or in the EU can do" is the "difficult" part there...

[jessesuomi]

If you have a finnish GF have her help, it should be not so hard as some people think for you to get into some restaurant work.

Networking indeed. Especially if you concentrate on restaurants owned by foreigners (Spanish/Mexican).
But than again as Hank said, the paperwork might prove the big problem.

However it will be much easier away from the city areas.

The countryside is not known as a big opportunity for foreigners.

With this work sector you really dont need any kind of education papers, in some ways not even for the cooking spots if you have any experience in that.

The minimum requirement is the hygiene certificate. I doubt if you could get the Finnish certificate in Mexico.

It is truly kind of unfair for persons to say it is nearly impossible to gain a job here. Maybe in some sectors and such it is harder yes,

Not impossible, but without Finnish difficult indeed. It is more the other way around. Some sectors (niche jobs) are easy.
And some people have the knack of securing jobs, but it's not the norm.
Please don't start another "positive thinking/it's not difficult" type of discussion. We had one every month or so.

Ahh, but you see, here lies the thing... many finnish workers dont want to live out in the countryside or out in the middle of nowhere... and look at the MOL.fi site and see how many seasonal restaurants are looking for some workers. Its many. The hygiene thing often gets overlooked and of course is very easy to get when you are here, even in spanish....
I guess in some ways its not a matter of positive thinking but just like many other areas of the world the cities are a haven of activity but you must know the ins and outs much much more to get by. Out in the tourist areas though there are plenty of opportunities.
But hey, nobody advised him to come illegally and work. Just offering some suggestions to the possibility. Coming here to work and such for a short period of time and so forth isnt so hard if you are willing to settle for less than you might expect in some of our homes. The hard part is trying to translate that into a longer term prospect that one really feels a part of the society.

[rinso]

Ahh, but you see, here lies the thing... many finnish workers dont want to live out in the countryside or out in the middle of nowhere... and look at the MOL.fi site and see how many seasonal restaurants are looking for some workers.

Well, I live in the middle of nowhere. And there are still many more people looking then there are jobs.
And everybody knows each other, so you must be really special to enter the local network.

The hygiene thing often gets overlooked

Again, in the countryside the health inspectors have time to do a proper job. Here even the local housewives who help with the village activities have a hygiene pass.

[isma.ayala]

area 51 is a myth!!!! so sorry to disappoint you there is an air force base close to Barstow on highway 15 but it's not area 51, should've gone to Vegas being so far from home, mind as well worth the trip it would've been nice to take "tiwaz" with you to take a close look at the aliens from area 51!
ohh i'm sorry he might be allergic to alliens...