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Re: About Speed Cameras ?

Post by Bubba Elvis XIV » Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:47 pm

Rick1 wrote:They should give them fines, on the two lanes (up and going) they drive 75 or 80 exact but when you are able to pass them to go easily to 90 or 100.
Seems to me that the police here are quite quick to give out speeding tickets but not that bothered about reckless driving...I don't know anyone who has been pulled over for it, of course, people have but never heard about it.

But then again seeing how the police drive I think their concept of reckless driving is a bit different from mine. I love the way they use their lights to do 'illegal' maneuvers then turn them off... :lol:


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Re: About Speed Cameras ?

Post by AldenG » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:08 pm

Bubba Elvis XIV wrote:So finnish driving discussion again...

My present pet hate (and it's damn stupid) is people deciding to beat you on the overtaking...you do all the stuff, indicate etc etc and as you start to pull out some knob beats you to it at 150 km...And there's never a copper around. But god they're there when you ride your bike with out a light in Turku.

Envy, yeah..."Damn, that guy is gonna get home 30 seconds before me"

Highly f@cking stupid.
I guess it's easier to observe and catch a bicycle than a car going 150 kph.

Driving in Finland is so personal. Unfortunately it's becoming more personal in the U.S., too, with a growing incidence of road rage and other forms of hostility or competition. But for the most part (with a few localized exceptions), the driving culture has always been one of the best things about the U.S. (And you won't often see me use "best" and "culture" in the same sentence when talking about the U.S.) Traditionally it has been completely impersonal and unemotional, like walking among the sidewalk pigeons in a big city. Nobody gets angry at the pigeons for being in the way. They're just there and you wend your way around them with a bit of mutual cooperation to avoid collisions and cross-contamination. In the U.S., drivers have traditionally regarded the other cars much like pigeons. Historically, if you have put on your blinker for a lane change, the other cars have opened space for you -- rather than closing up the space so that you don't insult them by pulling in front of them, the way it happens in Finland. (Or Chicago or Nashville or NYC.)

That's changing somewhat now. You see more of the Finnish-style driving. For all I know it may be European-style driving, though I didn't see as much of it living in Sweden. Now even though it's changing in the U.S.,there are still a lot of drivers who are cooperative to a fault. Instead of following the letter of the law, these drivers will wave you to go first, even though THEY have the right of way. There are a couple of problems with this. One is that they don't realize that sky reflected on their windshield sometimes makes their hand gestures invisible. Another is that arbitrarily changing the agreed procedures can create confusion and even accidents. There is no ambiguity at all in the rules regarding who proceeds in what order at a 4-way stop. It all has to do with a combination of who arrived first and who is to the left/right of whom. A private hand-signal agreement between two drivers, invisible to others or unobserved by them, can cause a third driver to proceed at the wrong moment and get into an accident.

My wife failed her first driving test in Finland because of a single mistake: she slowed down a bit on the moottoritie to make room for a car on the on-ramp to merge in. By her description, it just made the most sense at the time because the other car was a little bit ahead and almost on the highway, so it was a smaller adjustment for her to make way. She learned that from observing me, of course. She was supposed to pay no attention whatsoever to the on-merging car, the inspector told her -- even though that would require THAT car to slow down a lot to enter BEHIND her, meaning that car would enter the moottoritie at a rate of speed well below the surrounding traffic.

In general, in the U.S. we're taught to be cooperative and impersonal when driving. More than that, we absorb it by observation when we're growing up. To then drive in Finland, where every interaction with another vehicle seems to have a winner and a loser, is roll-your-eyes irritating.

Yesterday my wife was sitting at a red light and got bumped from behind. As she was getting out to inspect for damage, the other driver pulled out and sped away, missing her physical person by a couple of inches. In Atlanta, most of these incidents are perpetrated by unlicensed illegal immigrants (according to the police), though in Cheater Nation it is becoming more common for ordinary citizens to behave in this way. Fortunately there was no structural damage. The paint damage was inflicted by the fleeing of the driver, not by the initial impact. At many intersections, a camera would have recorded the whole sequence of events, but this was not one of those intersections.

As driving culture goes, so goes Western civilization. Prospects are looking dim.
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Re: About Speed Cameras ?

Post by Rick1 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:20 pm

Drove one time 10 km too fast (was much younger then :wink: ), felt like Burt Reynolds in those cannonball run movies because got whole blue and red lights, sirenes etc. behind me and was not far from being handcoffed :lol: There was nobody on the road and the policecar was new so I think the boys wanted to show their toys because I got off with a warning. Did not know then that they can measure upcoming.

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Post by Pursuivant » Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:56 pm

Ummm... people, what are you smoking? The solid white lines are between lanes going in between the same direction. The solid yellow lines are on twolane blacktops, on teh side of no passing usually due to obstucted view,
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Post by Bubba Elvis XIV » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:06 pm

Pursuivant wrote:Ummm... people, what are you smoking? The solid white lines are between lanes going in between the same direction. The solid yellow lines are on twolane blacktops, on teh side of no passing usually due to obstucted view,
L & M, mate....that's what bird said...

I dunno, I don't even know where I am going. We are having an argument at the moment about how many bridges I go over/under between 2 compnaies I go to...she says it's about 5...I say...:beamer:...none!!!
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Post by Rick1 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:13 pm

Pursuivant wrote:Ummm... people, what are you smoking? The solid white lines are between lanes going in between the same direction. The solid yellow lines are on twolane blacktops, on teh side of no passing usually due to obstucted view,
You must have been born here :lol: Is it so that those yellow lines are mostly in the towns,villages and the white ones outside?

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Re: About Speed Cameras ?

Post by Pursuivant » Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:48 pm

Rick1 wrote: You must have been born here :lol: Is it so that those yellow lines are mostly in the towns,villages and the white ones outside?
Ummm... no.
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Post by sinikala » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:48 am

AldenG wrote:My wife failed her first driving test in Finland because of a single mistake: she slowed down a bit on the moottoritie to make room for a car on the on-ramp to merge in. By her description, it just made the most sense at the time because the other car was a little bit ahead and almost on the highway, so it was a smaller adjustment for her to make way. She learned that from observing me, of course. She was supposed to pay no attention whatsoever to the on-merging car, the inspector told her -- even though that would require THAT car to slow down a lot to enter BEHIND her, meaning that car would enter the moottoritie at a rate of speed well below the surrounding traffic.
Don´t get me started on that, the lack of consideration of other drivers here really gets on my wick.

There was a thread on here a while ago about what someone described as the zipper effect (or lack thereof) of feeder lanes entering the motorways here. It pisses me off no end to entert a motorway which has a packed slow lane and an empty fast lane and the basts won´t let those joining the motorway in. Does it really hurt, when approaching a junction to move over into the fast lane if it´s empty, and allow others onto the road instead of making them grind to a halt? Nope.

Fecking cockknockers.

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Post by Rosamunda » Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:09 am

Pursuivant wrote: Image
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Post by Pursuivant » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:26 am

lines got nothing to do with parking, except on bus stops.
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Post by Upphew » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:36 am

sinikala wrote:It pisses me off no end to entert a motorway which has a packed slow lane and an empty fast lane and the basts won´t let those joining the motorway in. Does it really hurt, when approaching a junction to move over into the fast lane if it´s empty, and allow others onto the road instead of making them grind to a halt? Nope.
But that is legally gray area... one should always use rightmost lane:
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So if lane on the right is free, you should use it, most of the time. No mention about courtesy or flow of the traffic, so it is me me me mememememeeeee!
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Post by Bubba Elvis XIV » Thu Jun 25, 2009 11:44 am

Upphew wrote: But that is legally gray area... one should always use rightmost lane:
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So if lane on the right is free, you should use it, most of the time. No mention about courtesy or flow of the traffic, so it is me me me mememememeeeee!
What is the law in the UK regarding this? Is it the same and we just pull into the...er....right lane/inside lane/fast lane...out of courtesy?
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Post by sinikala » Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:06 pm

Bubba Elvis XIV wrote:What is the law in the UK regarding this? Is it the same and we just pull into the...er....right lane/inside lane/fast lane...out of courtesy?
Pretty much the same, it's essentially keep to the left.

And in the UK there is a bit of text which says "The exceptions are when you want to overtake, turn right or pass parked vehicles or pedestrians in the road". On dual carriage ways or motorways, by pulling into the faster lane we are usually overtaking the vehicle joining the road, so it's covered there.

If the joining vehicle is travelling at the same speed, or faster than us, then we don't usually need to pull out into the fast lane, or if we have pulled into the fast lane and the joining vehicle has gained enough speed that we don't need to overtake, then we pull back in. Common sense, innit.
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Post by Pursuivant » Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:01 pm

Bubba Elvis XIV wrote:I think it's these:

http://www.freefoto.com/tag/straight+ro ... hite+lines
Yes, which do not exist in Finland, or are you people legally colorblind? DOUBLE YELLOW LINES, like your sherbet snow you eat in the winter.
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