Perhoja Finland?

[Pursuivant]

Scanning or even a digicam pic (good reso) and upload it someplace and then give a link. I know theres a couple people here besides me who can read "proper handwriting" but its the same who can read 1800's US or German "penmanship"?

[ohemge]

scanner is having a bit of a problem one minute and I'll get it uploaded, I know its not hand writing it seems to be a weird font from either a stamp press sort of thing or a type writter

[ohemge]

alright here it is, I could only upload it to my website because I scanned it at 600dpi and thats way to big for any upload sites I've used. anyway here is the link It list her name as Lind because at the time of death she had already been married, but it does list her father and mothers names below them which is Pajouja also lists her children, which are lind's and korpi's

http://evo.limewebs.com/memorybook.jpg

[Jukka Aho]

alright here it is, I could only upload it to my website because I scanned it at 600dpi and thats way to big for any upload sites I've used. anyway here is the link It list her name as Lind because at the time of death she had already been married, but it does list her father and mothers names below them which is Pajouja also lists her children, which are lind's and korpi's

OK, it appears to be some type of blackletter calligraphy... done with a flat-bladed ink pen? I think the letterforms vary a bit too much to be stamped.

I’d interpret those names as “Perhoja” and “Pajouja”, too, but the question then becomes whether the person who originally wrote them down really knew the correct spelling.

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After a couple of quick probes with Google, I’m almost willing to bet we have a match here:

1. Wilkki
2. Abraham Henrikss. Pajuoja OR Haukirauma-Wilkki
3. Abraham Henrikss. Pajuoja OR Haukirauma-Wilkki (with spouse)
4. Maija Sofia Karvonen

...or what do you think?

The municipalities of Perho and Halsua are located right next to each other. I’m not sure why they also mention Vaasa, though. See the left sidebar of those Finnish Wikipedia articles for links to the corresponding articles on the English Wikipedia.

As above with Perho, you can also take a virtual peek at Halsua and Vaasa on Google Maps / Street View.

[ohemge]

I cant say for sure if thats them or not, because I'm not sure what his middle name is/was or if he had one and the one listend in your search has a middle name if i'm correct, the town those two where born in Perho,Vaasa finland is the same as where my great grandmother was born. By the way the name Maija that is finnish name for right? anyway we did some math between my great grandmas birthday and Maija's and she would have been around 41 when tekla was born so there is a good chance it could be them.

another thing I don't understand is how he would come to be listed under Abraham Henrikss. Pajuoja <b>OR Haukirauma-Wilkki </b> the last two names. was it people he previously was married to or is that his mother and grandmothers names or names related by other marriages.

[Jukka Aho]

By the way the name Maija that is finnish name for right?

Maija is a fairly common (and traditional) Finnish female name. You can listen to a native speaker pronounce it here. One of the most well-known present-day Maijas in Finland is the pop/rock singer-songwriter Maija Vilkkumaa.

Changing “Maija” to “Mary”, at least unofficially. would probably have been a sensible thing to do after having moved over to the U.S... a quick way out of the pronunciation and spelling hassle you get with an uncommon name.

[ohemge]

Okay that makes sense, I'm still not sure why abrahams name has other names listed at the end of Pajouja tho.

[Pursuivant]

alright here it is,
OK, it appears to be some type of blackletter calligraphy... done with a flat-bladed ink pen?

Your bandwidth got exceeded ;( but yeah, if its blackletter, I've written texts, in cards & such with it. Requires some studying. But say like the bible was printed in that font as well as newspapers still in the turn of the century, so people didn't have as much challenge reading it.

[ohemge]

okay buy who in the above post does the name Abraham Henrikss. Pajuoja OR Haukirauma-Wilkki have the Or? if his name is Pajuoja

[Jukka Aho]

okay buy who in the above post does the name Abraham Henrikss. Pajuoja OR Haukirauma-Wilkki have the Or? if his name is Pajuoja

Hard to tell. Maybe those two are some other, important names associated with that family lineage... or maybe he even changed his name at some point?

There are people with the last name Haukirauma in Finland, as well as people with the last name Wilkki, but the only reference I can find to Haukirauma-Wilkki, as a combined name, is that above-linked Latter-Day Saints genealogy website.

Maybe you could crack this mystery if you could get in contact with some of the Karvonen, Pajuoja, Wilkki, or Haukirauma family members... You know, people are interested in genealogy on this side of the pond as well so someone from those families might well already have furnished a family tree with Abraham and Maija on it.

[ohemge]

I got into contact with some Pajuoja's on facebook. He then contacted a relative from Finland who said some way or another all of the Pajuoja's are related, but he also told me he does have reletives with the name of wilkki. Also I have yet to find the family tree I have to be able to confirm any of the other names.

[Mangrove]

I can not see the scan but here's a great place to search your relatives. http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/2903ar?en

[Jukka Aho]

I can not see the scan but here's a great place to search your relatives. http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/2903ar?en

Some interesting finds here. There appears to be lots of variation in how the names are spelled; I’m pretty sure these are all the children of one and the same couple:

• 1880-06-11 — Kaarle Vihtori — (parents:) metsänv. Abram Heikinp. Pajuoja / vaimo Maja Sofia Matint. 28
• 1883-01-18 — Hulda Amalia — (parents:) Metsävahti Abrami Heikinpoika. Pajuoja / v:o Maria Sofia Matint:r 30
• 1885-01-08 — Pietari — (parents:) metsänvartia Aaprami Heikinp. Pajuoja / v:nsa Maria Sofia Matint:r 32
• 1887-11-11 — Iida Aadolfina — (parents:) Mts.vart. Aapr. Pajuoja / v:o Sofia Matint. 35
• 1890-12-31 — Tekla — (parents:) Metsänvart. Aapr. Pajuoja / v:o Maija Sofia Matint. 38
• 1893-04-10 — Tekla Sofia — (parents:) Metsänwartija Aaprami Pajuoja / w:o Maija Sofia Matintytär 41

metsänvartija, metsävahti = forest guard, forest warden
vaimo, v:o, w:o, v:nsa = wife, his wife
Heikinpoika = son of Heikki (would explain the “Henriksson” in the LDS records: Heikki ~ Henrik)
Matintytär = daughter of Matti

The name Haukirauma appears as well... as a name of the farm.

Edit: There’s also a record of them getting married, and the name Karvonen appears there:

• 1877-12-29 — Kruun. Metsänv. Aapa Heikinp. Pajuoja / piika Maija Sofia Matint:r Karvonen

The comment field (originally written by the minister of the local parish) says: pappilassa, mies leski, vaimo naimaton which means “(wedding carried out) in the parsonage, the man is a widower, the wife unmarried”

[Pursuivant]

I just love the guys status: "backstugukarlen" ... would that be peräkammarinpoika (OK I know its mäkitupalainen)

[ohemge]

I can not see the scan but here's a great place to search your relatives. http://hiski.genealogia.fi/hiski/2903ar?en

Some interesting finds here. There appears to be lots of variation in how the names are spelled; I’m pretty sure these are all the children of one and the same couple:

• 1880-06-11 — Kaarle Vihtori — (parents:) metsänv. Abram Heikinp. Pajuoja / vaimo Maja Sofia Matint. 28
• 1883-01-18 — Hulda Amalia — (parents:) Metsävahti Abrami Heikinpoika. Pajuoja / v:o Maria Sofia Matint:r 30
• 1885-01-08 — Pietari — (parents:) metsänvartia Aaprami Heikinp. Pajuoja / v:nsa Maria Sofia Matint:r 32
• 1887-11-11 — Iida Aadolfina — (parents:) Mts.vart. Aapr. Pajuoja / v:o Sofia Matint. 35
• 1890-12-31 — Tekla — (parents:) Metsänvart. Aapr. Pajuoja / v:o Maija Sofia Matint. 38
• 1893-04-10 — Tekla Sofia — (parents:) Metsänwartija Aaprami Pajuoja / w:o Maija Sofia Matintytär 41

metsänvartija, metsävahti = forest guard, forest warden
vaimo, v:o, w:o, v:nsa = wife, his wife
Heikinpoika = son of Heikki (would explain the “Henriksson” in the LDS records: Heikki ~ Henrik)
Matintytär = daughter of Matti

The name Haukirauma appears as well... as a name of the farm.

Edit: There’s also a record of them getting married, and the name Karvonen appears there:

• 1877-12-29 — Kruun. Metsänv. Aapa Heikinp. Pajuoja / piika Maija Sofia Matint:r Karvonen

The comment field (originally written by the minister of the local parish) says: pappilassa, mies leski, vaimo naimaton which means “(wedding carried out) in the parsonage, the man is a widower, the wife unmarried”

well the list of kids there, we strongly believe are actually their kids as Tekla's birthday matches with our math and dates listed. Also most of those names look like the written english counterparts we have on paper here. But with the exception of mat and the extra tekla. Not sure who or those are we dont have them listed here. Also the marriage that you have lisred between Maija and Kruun is her other husband which isnt on paper here either. as for the Haukiauma the name is later shortend we found out to Rauma when they moved to the us and began to farm in south dakota