Wife's residence 2nd permit. Any Suggestion?

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Re: Wife's residence 2nd permit. Any Suggestion?

Post by Upphew » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:17 pm

masiboo wrote:How to appeal or seek some legal help against immigration decision.
I thought the decision came with instructions?


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Re: Wife's residence 2nd permit. Any Suggestion?

Post by Kutittaa » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:46 pm

masiboo wrote:Hi,

Thanks a lot!

I thought I would get notification by email once any reply comes in this thread. But I didn't get anything (now I can see an option here). So Couldn't participet in the whole discussion.

I got some question. In my personal experience I found many times some contradictory laws depends on the person who is processing the application. In such case applicant's luck matters a lot :). If I'm unlucky and got a negative decision. How to appeal or seek some legal help against immigration decision. Certainly I don't know any of the law mention by you guys. Sounds like a professional lawyer to me. I might need a lawyer. At this financial situation, I won't be able to carry out lawyer fee. Are there any way to get any lawyer support without fee in Finland.
If you get a no, it's a no. You don't just get a 'no' without a reason. If you get a no you should just take it in your stride and apply again later. Although a no, usually means a no in the long scheme of things. Finland fairly takes into account all aspects of a persons background before making a decision.

Trying to front up the decision in court with a lawyer is about the dumbest thing a person can do. One, you have pretty much no defence against a fair decision. Two, you really have absolutely nothing you can say against your decision, if you did you would have been accepted.
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Re: Wife's residence 2nd permit. Any Suggestion?

Post by sy » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:45 am

Kutittaa wrote: If you get a no, it's a no. You don't just get a 'no' without a reason. If you get a no you should just take it in your stride and apply again later. Although a no, usually means a no in the long scheme of things. Finland fairly takes into account all aspects of a persons background before making a decision.

Trying to front up the decision in court with a lawyer is about the dumbest thing a person can do. One, you have pretty much no defence against a fair decision. Two, you really have absolutely nothing you can say against your decision, if you did you would have been accepted.
This is not necessary true for all administrative decisions. Sometimes the decision makers might have ignored some relevent facts in the application. They might have made some administrative procedure errors. They might have applied the wrong law texts in the case. Or sometimes the law is just not clear enough, so that they want to get precedent decisions from administrative courts.

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Re: Wife's residence 2nd permit. Any Suggestion?

Post by masiboo » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:59 am

Upphew wrote: I thought the decision came with instructions?
I was mainly asking how to get a lawyer without fee. As I won't be able to pay lawyer fee.

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Post by Kutittaa » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:03 am

masiboo wrote:
Upphew wrote:
masiboo wrote:How to appeal or seek some legal help against immigration decision.
I thought the decision came with instructions?
I was mainly asking how to get a lawyer without fee. As I won't be able to pay lawyer fee.
That's like asking how to build a house without any building materials. You can't get a laywer for such a thing without paying...
sy wrote:
Kutittaa wrote: If you get a no, it's a no. You don't just get a 'no' without a reason. If you get a no you should just take it in your stride and apply again later. Although a no, usually means a no in the long scheme of things. Finland fairly takes into account all aspects of a persons background before making a decision.

Trying to front up the decision in court with a lawyer is about the dumbest thing a person can do. One, you have pretty much no defence against a fair decision. Two, you really have absolutely nothing you can say against your decision, if you did you would have been accepted.
This is not necessary true for all administrative decisions. Sometimes the decision makers might have ignored some relevent facts in the application. They might have made some administrative procedure errors. They might have applied the wrong law texts in the case. Or sometimes the law is just not clear enough, so that they want to get precedent decisions from administrative courts.
Only the absolute most rarest of occasions. The system is meant to be fair for a reason, if it wasn't there would be civil unrest.
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Post by masiboo » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:18 am

Kutittaa wrote:Only the absolute most rarest of occasions. The system is meant to be fair for a reason, if it wasn't there would be civil unrest.
Actually I'm facing all the rarest happening at this moment. Thus I can only imagine all the dark side. It is wise to prepare in advance.

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Post by Kutittaa » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:20 am

It could help us if you tell us where you are from. What is the reason that you think you were denied unfairly. You say that the decision was predjudice? It's a big claim on the immigration system. Are/where you applying in Finland or outside of Finland?
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Re: Wife's residence 2nd permit. Any Suggestion?

Post by masiboo » Tue Sep 27, 2011 11:40 am

I'm from Espoo, Finland. When I applied for her 1st residence permit I lost my job during application processing time. By this period she got 1st residence permit. But I couldn't manage any job until now. I'm trying my level best for a job. I became hopeless to get a job that could meet the requirement of 1550€ net income.


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