Peoples rights when dealing with Finnish Police

[Pursuivant]

Rather a police state than a multicultural one

[Rick1]

......Sorry drifting away from topic.

[Easyin]

Hi guys!

I am very interested in this topic as well, because apparently police has much more rights here that I expected.

My main question is about private property. Can they breach / break into your private property?

What happened recently was that I was being stationary in the car. Policeman started askin me for documents. I gave him what I had: a drivers license. He was not satisfied and asked me to step out of the car.
I refused to step out of my car and decided to remain in my private property thinking there is nothing they can do about it.

But! I got pepper sprayed, they broke my window, pulled me out, 6 cops with a dog putting me full face down on the asphalt although I have not shown any aggression or resist, handcuffed and detained for 8 hours in a freezing cell.

No one told me why am I being detained, what are my rights, how long am I being detained for, no one gave me access to communication or to lawyer. This !"#¤% ain't right for a modern free country. No wonder amnesty international expressed concerns about Finnish police detainment practices.

Now, I know that the SMARTEST way to act in current Finnish system would be obey fully to cops an have my passport with me, and not play with them. But this is not right. Breaking into your private property (car) and hurting you is not right.

At least I know now what I pay these huge taxes for. A how the lack of actual crimes casing police having nothing else to do that to obtain normal residents.

[rinso]

thinking there is nothing they can do about it.

You were wrong.
When they think you're thread they can do whatever it takes to control the situation. Only later can be determined if their actions were justified.
And since Paris they are probably quicker to judge a suspicious situation as potentially dangerous.
So now you learned not to be a smart-ass.

[Upphew]

Hi guys!

I am very interested in this topic as well, because apparently police has much more rights here that I expected.

My main question is about private property. Can they breach / break into your private property?

What happened recently was that I was being stationary in the car. Policeman started askin me for documents. I gave him what I had: a drivers license. He was not satisfied and asked me to step out of the car.
I refused to step out of my car and decided to remain in my private property thinking there is nothing they can do about it.

But! I got pepper sprayed, they broke my window, pulled me out, 6 cops with a dog putting me full face down on the asphalt although I have not shown any aggression or resist, handcuffed and detained for 8 hours in a freezing cell.

No one told me why am I being detained, what are my rights, how long am I being detained for, no one gave me access to communication or to lawyer. This !"#¤% ain't right for a modern free country. No wonder amnesty international expressed concerns about Finnish police detainment practices.

Now, I know that the SMARTEST way to act in current Finnish system would be obey fully to cops an have my passport with me, and not play with them. But this is not right. Breaking into your private property (car) and hurting you is not right.

At least I know now what I pay these huge taxes for. A how the lack of actual crimes casing police having nothing else to do that to obtain normal residents.

Heh... "I refused... not shown any aggression or resist..."
But true they shouldn't have broken the window nor peppersprayed you. There shouldn't be any need for that as any normal people would step out of car when cop asks to.

[Pursuivant]

thinking there is nothing they can do about it.

First mistake, don't think, know.

http://www.finlex.fi/en/laki/kaannokset ... 950493.pdf

[Kai]

This is the only reason I still visit this forum, pure comedy gold!

[Piet]

I have found the police to be very uninterested in me, even when I do something a little wrong (traffic).
the only time I found them interested in me was 7 years ago, when I was driving with my fog lights at the same time as my dipped beam when it rained, they followed me to the school where I was dropping a boy off for class in the morning, while I was outside the car they stopped next to my car and I saw them type vigorously on a keyboard of their "in vehicle" computer (checking me and my car) Never saw them again, never been stopped too, never got a warning, (I always drive on the limit, 8km too fast on the GPS).

I have approached them on an occasion when a friend of mine got physically violated at a kebab kioski and I followed the perpetrator to his home on foot while recording him with my phone, once the violent guy started running I gave up and just at that moment the police came driving by in a van, they caught him later and he went to jail.

I guess in general when you work with the police here in Finland, you will be (treated as) their friend, when you complain, you are very easily (treated as) their enemy.

Based on Amnesty international reports, the Finnish justice system is very abusive on human rights. I know a Swedish guy that was falsely accused of something and went to jail for it, 8 months later they found the real villain and he was just released over the border told not to return, (A Finn would have had financial compensation for this).

But at the same time, some other friend of mine got caught speeding with his motorbike 42km/h too fast, he just got "30 days salary" fine but could keep his driving license (normally you lose that above 30km/h too fast).

So any advise regarding the Police in Finland, don't be difficult and work with them, then there is no need for your rights to be violated, be gentle and polite, even if they are not, and last but not least: wear a body cam / dash cam

[betelgeuse]

I am very interested in this topic as well, because apparently police has much more rights here that I expected.

My main question is about private property. Can they breach / break into your private property?

The Finnish concept is domestic premise. In Finland police does not need a warrant to search domestic premises. There are rules on when they can do it but it's a policeman making the decision. It can be subject to review after the fact.

What happened recently was that I was being stationary in the car. Policeman started askin me for documents. I gave him what I had: a drivers license. He was not satisfied and asked me to step out of the car.
I refused to step out of my car and decided to remain in my private property thinking there is nothing they can do about it.

A car is not a domestic premise.

"Domestic premises refers to homes, holiday homes and other premises intended for residential use, such as hotel rooms, tents, mobile homes and vessels with sleeping capacity, as well as the stairwells and corridors of residential buildings and the private yards of the residents and their immediate outbuildings."

http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/kaannokset ... 890039.pdf