working while waiting for residence permit

[cors187]

Moi,

I am non-eu citizen. We are soon going to marry in Finland. So, i ll submit my residence permit application on the basis of family ties to Finnish police.
While waiting for the decision, Can I work? (I have been offered a job)

Get your work contract and apply for a tax at source card before you apply for res-permit, this way you get 3 months work.p

That's complete nonsense.

Taxation and the permission to work in Finland are separate issues, and when someone does not have the permission to work in Finland then tax cards are irrelevant.

You have no idea.
I know of many foreigners who come into the country and apply for a tax at source card(with signed contract) and get the tax at source card.Then they can work 90days . Its simple.Its even more than simple , its recorded here. http://www.vero.fi/en-US/Individuals/Ar ... 2817634%29
I applied the exact day i arrived.
I did it myself in 2011 and legislation hasn't changed.
We have discussed this before , stop being a hard case!

[Adrian42]

Get your work contract and apply for a tax at source card before you apply for res-permit, this way you get 3 months work.p

That's complete nonsense.

Taxation and the permission to work in Finland are separate issues, and when someone does not have the permission to work in Finland then tax cards are irrelevant.

You have no idea.
I know of many foreigners who come into the country and apply for a tax at source card(with signed contract) and get the tax at source card.Then they can work 90days . Its simple.Its even more than simple , its recorded here. http://www.vero.fi/en-US/Individuals/Ar ... 2817634%29
I applied the exact day i arrived.
I did it myself in 2011 and legislation hasn't changed.
We have discussed this before , stop being a hard case!

You are the hard case continuously repeating bull$hit...

If you came as a specialist, then your case matches exactly what I wrote.

As an example for the $hit that fills your head, the URL you gave claiming its recorded here says exactly nothing about a 90 day permission to work.

[Deni85]

If he is considered a specialist, he should apply in Finland and can start working immediately.

Waiting a few months for the decision on a normal residence permit based on work doesn't make sense: It will likely take months for him to get the decision, and if the decision is negative that is lost time.

I am missing something? where did he say he has qualifications to be considered a specialist? if he doesn't have qualifications, then he has to apply to a normal work permit. Yes, it will take some time to get the permit. But he didn't mention when he is coming to Finland. If it is not so soon, then he can wait the decision in his country.

He did not give any information about what job he got and what qualification he has. So, I give my opinion and you give yours. I'm sure he is big enough to understand what applies to him and what doesn't.

[Adrian42]

If he is considered a specialist, he should apply in Finland and can start working immediately.

Waiting a few months for the decision on a normal residence permit based on work doesn't make sense: It will likely take months for him to get the decision, and if the decision is negative that is lost time.

I am missing something? where did he say he has qualifications to be considered a specialist?

That's why I wrote If he is considered a specialist.

But he didn't mention when he is coming to Finland. If it is not so soon, then he can wait the decision in his country.

Are you intentionally trying to make a fool out of yourself?

The OP wrote We are soon going to marry in Finland.

[Deni85]

The OP wrote We are soon going to marry in Finland.

He didn't say how soon... soon can be tomorrow, next month, next three months...

[cors187]

You are the hard case continuously repeating bull$hit...

If you came as a specialist, then your case matches exactly what I wrote.

As an example for the $hit that fills your head, the URL you gave claiming its recorded here says exactly nothing about a 90 day permission to work.

Its because there is no where to record you as a specialist.A person, any foreigner comes into Finland can apply for a tax at source card.
If they get it then they start working.There are thousands of specialist fields.

Tourists get tax at source cards all the time.

I didnt come here to post about how the OP cant get work while waiting for a res-permit.
As far as i am concerned the guy probably isnt even in Finland and is covering his bases, and if he really is in finland and has a job offer then get into vero ASAP and apply for a tax at source card , it may be possible to work some days that are remaining on your schengen 90 day visa.

PLUS and i know it for 100% fact , that any form of legal business relationship in the past between a worker and employer counts for something when applying for a Employment res-permit.
And this is why i will keep replying to you adrian, because your renowned for only seeing the txt.

Stop being so light about it , suck on those facts in bold and next time you have a meal with a high ranking res-permit squirrel ask her if any form of legal business relationship in the past between a worker and employer can be used to highlight the case!

I cant stress enough the importance of using the tax at source card if the option is available!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Adrian42]

The OP wrote We are soon going to marry in Finland.

He didn't say how soon... soon can be tomorrow, next month, next three months...

He has a girl and a job waiting in Finland - the basic assumption is then that it is not 3 months.

[Adrian42]

As far as i am concerned the guy probably isnt even in Finland and is covering his bases, and if he really is in finland and has a job offer then get into vero ASAP and apply for a tax at source card , it may be possible to work some days that are remaining on your schengen 90 day visa.

This is so absurd and just yet another proof that where other people have a brain, you have nothing but $hit.

Migri is the definite source for permission to work information, and Rip already posted a link to the relevant page http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/ ... nce_permit in this thread. And no matter how often you repeat the $hit that comes out of your head, Migri does not write everyone coming as a tourist is allowed to work in any job while he stays in Finland.

[Pursuivant]

Its because there is no where to record you as a specialist.A person, any foreigner comes into Finland can apply for a tax at source card.
If they get it then they start working.

Why sure. The employer will just get a nice fine if they go hiring a non-eu foreigner without a valid residence permit if the said foreigner requires one. There are the cases when you do not require one, and in the case of "specialists" which is the only case when a residence-permit-requiring foreigner can start to work while the permit is processed.

[Deni85]

He has a girl and a job waiting in Finland - the basic assumption is then that it is not 3 months.

Where did he say he has a girl waiting in Finland??? he said he is going to marry in Finland, the girl could be with him. Not everybody meet someone on date website then rush to get married only to get a RP.

And who says he is "he"? it can be a girl.

I am not going be here making silly assumptions about his/her life.

[moimoimoimoi]

guys please stop being so frustrated.
okay, i have a Finnish girl. we known each other so long, and we lived together before in Finland and in my country..
as she is done with her studies, we will marry. i will be in Finland in April and we will marry in July. so, we will marry within 3 months. As soon as we marry I will apply for a rp. I do not want to have work permit because it is indeed pain in the ass, and I would not need to change it all the time as I change my jobs.

For those who gave very informative and constrictive advises (if that's even a real expression) thank you very much!
for those who have been quite negative, thank you! I do understand you.

I do match with one the obligations (a person posted working without a residence permit) So, I am eligible to work. Yet, I am not a specialist. you do not need to be specialist to work without a residence permit. I was wondering if I could get tax and id number (yes you are right, not kela number, there are many cards/numbers, sometimes it is confusing). and I would like to go on working as I wait for the residence permit. If that is possible.

The reason why I m not applying abroad is because I do not want to lose time, and while waiting for RP I can actually learn Finnish.
Also, i have never worked for a Finnish company, I don't want to miss this opportunity as it is going to help my career.

[Adrian42]

Where did he say he has a girl waiting in Finland??? he said he is going to marry in Finland, the girl could be with him.

And who says he is "he"? it can be a girl.

I am not going be here making silly assumptions about his/her life.

You either have a bad memory or you are a bad liar (or both)...

Let me remind you that you already did exactly the thing you claim you weren't doing in this thread:

What I meant was that he would apply for a work permit from his country then later after he gets married he applies for a permit based on family ties.

[Adrian42]

I do match with one the obligations (a person posted working without a residence permit) So, I am eligible to work.

What exactly are you referring to here?

Note that the Vero page cors linked to tells nothing regarding whether or not you need a residence permit, Vero talks only about taxation.

Only if you find information on the Migri website that you are eligible to work you are fine.

[Deni85]

Forget the frustrated people here.

Now with the information you gave, the things have cleared up. I was tired to hear some guesses of what was going on in your life

I do not want to have work permit because it is indeed pain in the ass, and I would not need to change it all the time

Your first RP based on family ties will not be permanent. You will have to renew it. Then later you can apply for a permanent RP.

You indeed shouldn't miss the opportunity you've been given. It is not easy for foreigners to find a job here. So, do whatever you can to keep the job. You should contact the immigration office and explain your situation.

[cors187]

As far as i am concerned the guy probably isnt even in Finland and is covering his bases, and if he really is in finland and has a job offer then get into vero ASAP and apply for a tax at source card , it may be possible to work some days that are remaining on your schengen 90 day visa.

This is so absurd and just yet another proof that where other people have a brain, you have nothing but $hit.

Migri is the definite source for permission to work information, and Rip already posted a link to the relevant page http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/ ... nce_permit in this thread. And no matter how often you repeat the $hit that comes out of your head, Migri does not write everyone coming as a tourist is allowed to work in any job while he stays in Finland.

http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/ ... nce_permit
http://www.formin.fi/public/default.asp ... n-US#Entry
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/Lex ... 058:EN:PDF

Are you saying that viisumi passport stickers are not acceptable when applying for tax at source cards?

http://www.migri.fi/working_in_finland/ ... nce_permit
Right to work without a residence permit

In certain situations you may work in Finland without a residence permit. You must, however, have a valid visa (if a visa is required from you) or a Schengen residence permit granted by another country, which allows you to reside in Finland.

If you are exempt from the visa requirement, you may work in Finland without a residence permit for the duration of your visa-free residing time.

In certain situations means "its possible", and migri doesnt have the definate source ? Vero is the key to every pre accepted condition.
This is the linked you lightly read
http://www.vero.fi/en-US/Individuals/Ar ... 2817634%29

If you are staying in Finland on a temporary basis, you are considered a tax nonresident who has a limited liability to pay tax. Your wages will be subject to tax at source, assessed at the rate of 35 percent. We recommend that you contact the local tax office to ask for a tax card.

There is no reason to accept that a 90 day visa visitor who is offered a binding contract for upto 90 days with a Finnish employer should not "bother to submit an application to vero.This form is for such purposes. Why would you protest it.
http://www.vero.fi/en-US/Precise_inform ... 2810939%29