camera flashing on highway

[Flossy1978]

I think you will find obvious cuts in the road surface where the inductive loops are installed. No laser or radar.
On the other hand if you drive on the other side of the road at this point then you do not pass over the loop - you can often see on early mornings the tire marks of others who have done this.

This is what I am talking about. Is it some different system to the cameras? Or is it connected to the cameras?

I know there doesn't have to be any speed camera signs too, but they still use them every where there are the permanent cameras. There are no permanent cameras on the road going to Tampere.

[Rip]

I think you will find obvious cuts in the road surface where the inductive loops are installed. No laser or radar.
On the other hand if you drive on the other side of the road at this point then you do not pass over the loop - you can often see on early mornings the tire marks of others who have done this.

This is what I am talking about. Is it some different system to the cameras? Or is it connected to the cameras?

Loops without camera's could give statistics about speeding. They would not tell who broke the law.
(I don't really know all the purposes they use those loops, but for some I can't see any other use than controlling traffic lights (or counting traffic.))

[Liam1]

Thought that the loops are used together with the camera. So the loops detect the offence which sets the camera in motion to record the offender. This differs from other systems where the camera unit with radar does both. At least in Finland, one off systems are in use (i.e different ways to measure the speed at point A). UK have the more infuriating and hence effective A to B speed checks where ave speed is measured for approx km between two cameras and they have in series for up to 20km at a time so you can never be sure so need to respect the liit at all times!

[Upphew]

UK have the more infuriating and hence effective A to B speed checks where ave speed is measured for approx km between two cameras and they have in series for up to 20km at a time so you can never be sure so need to respect the liit at all times!

Do they work with bikes?

[CH]

The most some guy was told to pay was something like 2 million euros. But he took it to court and got it down to about 100,000€ because his income had gone down so much. Obviously still a rich bastard if the fine was that high. And obviously caught by the cops, themselves, not a machine. I read online once.

I think you are referring to the fine for Nokia boss in 2002.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1759791.stm

And urban legend like the actual facts seem to have been(*) embellished quite a lot. Vanjoki's original fines were of the order of 100 000 euros, the final only about 6000.
http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/no ... an/454400/


(*) He might refer to some other case, but I doubt he can show any case with even nearly that high fines.

Rytsölä's original fine was higher, but yeah... still far away. http://www2.hs.fi/english/archive/news. ... 0010412IE2

[Liam1]

[quote][quote="Upphew"]Do they work with bikes?

Just checking with a biker friend but yes I think so.

[Upphew]

Just checking with a biker friend but yes I think so.

As you know, here the picture is taken from front and bikes have the plate in back... not one or two bikes that I've seen making the box flash at maybe 200km/h. But you have to drive fast as you can't drive during winter?

[Liam1]

Hi Upphew

My biker friend says that the ave speed cameras are front facing so cannot identify, but they ALWAYS (his emphasis not mine) have associated CCTV to cross reference. I wouldn't know first hand as too wimpy to ever have tried a bike! Funnily enough I've been caught speeding in 4 different countries but never the UK - must be an instinctive understanding of what you can get away with in your own country!

[Flossy1978]

Ok. Thanks for that.

I've seen those hose like things on top of the roads in Australia. This was sooooooooo many years ago, I am sure they've advanced the technology to have something under the ashphalt now.

I go to work very early (4:30-5:00) in the morning and the whole three sets of traffic lights I go through in Klaukkala..... They're red and as I get near them they turn green. So I guess they have that technology. The same with the side streets. If there's no traffic, the lights will change quickly if you stop a them.

I have to stop speeding. I've only ever paid one fine, but still..... I am so bad. But it's kind of normal here, to speed during the summer time. Doesn't make it right though. I mean when I go to work in the morning, I have to travel towards Helsinki on the Tampere motorway. When you leave from Klaukkala towards Helsinki, the motorway is only 100km / hr, not the normal 120km. But still, everyone is speeding 120km / hr or more. One time I was on the same motorway coming back to Klaukkala from somewhere and I was doing 140km / hr in the 120km / hr zone and a cop car (without the lights on, so no emergency), just went right on by me and must have been doing 160km or something.

If I remember correctly, the speeding threshold in Australia is just 3km over the limit. God, most Fins would lose their licenses in the first month of being there LOL. You just don't know how lucky and good you have it here, Fins LOL.

[riku2]

I've seen those hose like things on top of the roads in Australia. This was sooooooooo many years ago, I am sure they've advanced the technology to have something under the ashphalt now.

I go to work very early (4:30-5:00) in the morning and the whole three sets of traffic lights I go through in Klaukkala..... They're red and as I get near them they turn green. So I guess they have that technology. The same with the side streets. If there's no traffic, the lights will change quickly if you stop a them.

The loops under the road are quite old technology, they have been used at traffic lights for as long as I can remember. The finnish late night system of turning all the lights red and then changing them to green for detected traffic is a bit stupid in my opinion since you encourage drivers not to slow down even though the light ahead is red, since 90% of the time the lights will change to green just as you approach them. Hopefully those who are alert will do some late breaking if the traffic lights do not change to green like they normally do.

If I remember correctly, the speeding threshold in Australia is just 3km over the limit. God, most Fins would lose their licenses in the first month of being there LOL. You just don't know how lucky and good you have it here, Fins LOL.

I think finns would just adjust their speeding to be <3km/h over. The 20km/h threshold for fixed fines changing to income related ones is well publicised and this is why 20km/h over the limit seems the norm in Finland. almost nobody does more than that - except if the speed limit has recently been modified since the drivers often forget to look at the signs and just learn the limit. by "recent" I mean anytime in the past 10 years. Also if the limit is "unusual" eg the 100km/h south of Klaukkala because of the roadworks .. many ignore that since until 2 years ago the lower speed limit started only at ring 3.

[Flossy1978]

Nah... I think Fins just drive like speed demons in the Summer, because they can LOL. I mean after having to spend most the year driving so carefully at a snail's pace on icy snowy roads, you don't think they want to let loose and go for it on nice dry roads? LOL. Many think they're a F1 driver come Summer LOL.

Sometimes the lights don't change in Klaukkala when I drive through that early in the morning. You sit at the red light for ages alone.... no one else around, just telling yourself 'what the hell???', till the light turns green LOL. But then again.... up until recently when they did work on all three sets of lights, the lights were always going out. Really frequently it was happening. That was nice if you were on the main road LOL. Now it's summer, the traffic on Friday evenings and Sunday arvos is horrific in Klaukkala because of all the Helsinki people going to and from their summer cottages. Klaukkala really needs a bypass built. The main road can't handle all the traffic nowadays.

[riku2]

Klaukkala really needs a bypass built. The main road can't handle all the traffic nowadays.

The bypass has been planned for a long time, I think I read about it at least 5 years ago but they have still not started construction of it. Perhaps they will wait until the ring railway work is done. In this way they can keep up major construction work on the southern end of the tampere-helsinki motorway for 10 years running (first rebuilding the ring 3 junction, now the ring railway crossing and then new junction for klaukkala bypass).

http://www.ely-keskus.fi/web/ely/ely-uu ... bFtNuf9n08

[Flossy1978]

I drive on the road that goes to Pori as I go to Kokemäki which the road goes through. I can't remember number of it. It's an insanely long stretching two lane road. Once in a while there will be a place where there are actual overtaking lanes. But I have seen the cat and mouse thing you speak of. There are also speed cameras on the road.

The worse is being stuck on these types of roads behind bloody slow drivers. Drivers who are driving below the limit. And there's just too much traffic coming from the opposite direction to overtake them.

And on the road to Pori there are often a lot of cop cars... I guess going between Helsinki and Pori. So I don't do a lot of speeding on that road.

I can't stand being in the car or driving behind my friend. She intentionally drives 10-20km UNDER the speedlimit!!! Even in summer. One time we had to come back to Klaukkala from Tuusula and there's no motorway or fast way to do that. You have to go on all the country roads. She was driving 10-20km below the speedlimit the whole way and christ I was getting pissed off, because I was stuck behind her LOL. Her husband was in her car and even he was pissed off. She makes him drive below the limit too, if she's in the car with him. Those kinds of drivers are dangerous. Almost as bad as the old farts who drive their fancy expensive Mercedes, Audis etc, suddenly stopping and and making a turn, never using blinkers. Have you noticed that? It seems to be normal in Klaukkala. Happens all the time. I wondered once if they didn't 'have' to use blinkers when they got their licenses LOL.

[Flossy1978]

I know about the work being done at the beginning of the motorway. Jesus, it's been going on for years. Just when they finish a project, another one starts and we are still stuck driving 50km / hour doing crazy weaving turns LOL.

I had heard years ago about them making a bypass, but nothing was happening. A Fin said to me it's suppose to go to Rajamäki. Why anyone would build a road specifically to go to Rajamäki, is beyond me. Oh wait, it's for the alcohol factory, right? LOL. Make it easier for them to distribute the alcohol to the shops for the drunks LOL. Just like they have the only pool for all of Nurmijärvi in Rajamäki. And Klaukkala residents have been asking for years for a pool in Klaukkala.... The municipality's anwser is always 'there's no money'. I can believe this.... since the state of the roads in Klaukkala, especially the suburb Haikala are really crap, full of potholes (seriously in a bad state of repair for Finland). And in one place the whole road is starting to fall off the side down the gully and they've not done anything about it. Just put some red markers up LOL.

[Flossy1978]

Oh I am not defensive. I don't do that stupid sprinting out in front of a slower driver when I can see oncoming traffic. Playing 'chicken'. I just wait until there is really a safe opportunity to overtake. My post sounds like I am a crazy aggressive driver, but I really am not LOL. And I am a person who has to be on time to everything, so I am a good planner in that I leave in plenty of time to get somewhere and am often at the place I am going insanely early LOL. Bad fault. Has nothing to do with my driving LOL.

Though my friend does piss me off, cause it's just insane to drive 10-20km below the speed limit all the time! Even in a 50km zone on a straight road with no dangers of anything happening like kids running out onto the road and it's a sunny, dry day..... That drives me batsh*t crazy LOL. And to think, her husband has to deal with it all the time. He goes nuts LOL.