How much time does the social security decision take?

[neronakos]

The Kela coverage might be retrospective (partly) so if you can hang on then you might get a back payment. But with their decision they will announce what date they determine you became eligible, and they don't pay for time before that date. If you leave the country, you get nothing... unemployment benefit is not paid to people not living in Finland and as far as I know they still stop the payments if it's only a holiday. Unless you are an EU national who applies with U2 to travel within the EU to look for work, in which case they can pay it for up to three months.

Well luckily I am EU citizen, but since I don't have any other ways of surviving, leaving the country is my only solution of not starving. Well it is easier to starve in your home country apparently. I see. So that means, even if I am eligible for unemployment benefit sine May 15, I won't take it since they haven't made their decision already. Then I wonder, what will the reason be for me to go and make these unemployment status applications.

[cors187]

I had a specialist type salary, a perpetual contract and they made me wait 8 months before they handed over the perpetual kela card.

Did they take the 8 months to make a decision or did they first deny you and say to apply again later?

They didnt even bother to send me anything or contact me about anything, i contacted them 3 times, i got vague answers every-time.The worker even took my old kela card at my application.

The Last time i went into the office the lady was saddened that the application had been in process for so long so she said she would add me to the accelerated list.
Less than 1 month passed and it turned up in the posti.

[cors187]

Then I wonder, what will the reason be for me to go and make these unemployment status applications.

So poliisi can see that you dont have a job and you dont have any money, gives them a good feeling to send a free loader back home.

[betelgeuse]

They didnt even bother to send me anything or contact me about anything, i contacted them 3 times, i got vague answers every-time.The worker even took my old kela card at my application.

The Last time i went into the office the lady was saddened that the application had been in process for so long so she said she would add me to the accelerated list.
Less than 1 month passed and it turned up in the posti.

Seems like worth reporting to the state Ombudsman:

http://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/Resource.p ... /index.htx

It doesn't cost you anything and hopefully will contribute to avoiding such problems for others in the future.

[cors187]

They didnt even bother to send me anything or contact me about anything, i contacted them 3 times, i got vague answers every-time.The worker even took my old kela card at my application.

The Last time i went into the office the lady was saddened that the application had been in process for so long so she said she would add me to the accelerated list.
Less than 1 month passed and it turned up in the posti.

Seems like worth reporting to the state Ombudsman:

http://www.oikeusasiamies.fi/Resource.p ... /index.htx

It doesn't cost you anything and hopefully will contribute to avoiding such problems for others in the future.

Although i like to bag Eu and finns, actually at present EU vagabonds really annoy me, ive now got a soft spot in my heart for my humble Finn cousins trying to live their lifes, so i wont bother spending taxpayers money for some 60K a year worker to rake over my details.Thanks for the link though betel.

Speaking of EU walk ins,some off you guys are like the sailor that was hired and never really did the best job in the rigging's, didnt help in steering the vessel to better waters , and if the boat goes down you just jump over board and let the wreck take care of its self.

[neronakos]

Then I wonder, what will the reason be for me to go and make these unemployment status applications.

So poliisi can see that you dont have a job and you dont have any money, gives them a good feeling to send a free loader back home.

Well I don΄t feel like a free loader, I pay for my rent and I spent almost each cent of my savings before I go to the sosialli. I am just wondering, If it is to wait that much, do unemployment status applications every month and in the end, don't get money for these months that I am doing the statements, I don't see the point. I have money either to survive September here or leave the country, since I don't believe any magic will happen and someone will give me a job (since it didn΄t happen in so many months already).
But now that you mentioned this accelerated list, do you think that if I go and explain my situation they will put me in this accelerated list? After all, if they had told me that I need this the first time I went, I would have to wait for 2 more months than now, so it would have been different.

[cors187]

Then I wonder, what will the reason be for me to go and make these unemployment status applications.

So poliisi can see that you dont have a job and you dont have any money, gives them a good feeling to send a free loader back home.

Well I don΄t feel like a free loader, I pay for my rent and I spent almost each cent of my savings before I go to the sosialli. I am just wondering, If it is to wait that much, do unemployment status applications every month and in the end, don't get money for these months that I am doing the statements, I don't see the point. I have money either to survive September here or leave the country, since I don't believe any magic will happen and someone will give me a job (since it didn΄t happen in so many months already).
But now that you mentioned this accelerated list, do you think that if I go and explain my situation they will put me in this accelerated list? After all, if they had told me that I need this the first time I went, I would have to wait for 2 more months than now, so it would have been different.

The freeloader comment wasnt directed at you.
This accelerated process was because the application was in the system for a rather long time.

[onkko]

Lets say this directly.

You have right to come here and work since EU.

You Dont have right to unemployment benefits etc. if you havent been here long enough working and contributing.

If you cant support yourself we have to provide ticked back to home, we cant let you starve. Goodbye. Thats a law and whats agreed.

Thats how it works in principle, but thanks to whatever odd stuff its not total true. "byhyy, poor whatever. Sniff"

Walk in (impossible in most places) or call and ask time for your local social security people, toimeentulotuki is magic word. Gather all receipts, yes i mean that one when you sold one apple as child, and go and sit with social worker. At least have papers from your bank, 3 months minimum, printing is probably fine.

They calculate "you have made this much and law says this much has to be done, here is your herring, eat it" but its better than nothing. Joking aside they have to make sure you have nice enough live after mandatory expences. Living+ mandatory expences - income = has to be over what law says.

I know by fact that people who are ordered to depart get social help so you have a change, if you arent ISIS terrorist, black, grow a beard etc but then SUPO probably hire you if you arent one we should nuke....

[neronakos]

So that if you get a positive decision on Kela coverage, you don't have to put in your unemployment application and wait extra time to get that application approved.

Right! I totally forgot that.

Lets say this directly.

You have right to come here and work since EU.

You Dont have right to unemployment benefits etc. if you havent been here long enough working and contributing.

I don't know what exactly is enough, but I know at least 4 cases whose plan was to come here, work at a crappy job for one year and then quit, get the unemployment benefits and go to the Finnish language courses organized byt TE Office. Their plan worked out. I don't have the same plan in mind, but I mean if they were working one year and were eligible to unemployment benefit, since I was also working one year, I am probably eligible too. (And they were also working part-time).
And I don't see why is it totally my fault, I mean, I went there first thing in May. It's not like I was lazy. Since I didn't know that I should apply for this Social Security Card, shouldn't they have told me instead of sending me to TE Office first, which ir took 2 months to make a decision whether I am considered unemployed or not? Yes I know that someone might say that it was my obligation to know what is needed, but come on, no one knows all the laws. At least, if I knew that then, I would have arranged my spenings differently, or I would have already left the country with the money that I had back then or even if I had chosen to stay, now I would have been on the 4th month of the waiting for the decision.
I have a feeling that everyone here thinks that I am just sitting and leeching in the country and I want to take the benefits the country gracefully offers to live from them. I can guarantee you that is not the case. I haven't ceized to search for job even for a day, and no, even if I have already two masters, I am searching literally everywhere and not only on my section and I am also trying to improve my Finnish. And to be honest, unemployment benefit is not as high as to want to base my life on it.

At least have papers from your bank, 3 months minimum, printing is probably fine.

They calculate "you have made this much and law says this much has to be done, here is your herring, eat it" but its better than nothing. Joking aside they have to make sure you have nice enough live after mandatory expences. Living+ mandatory expences - income = has to be over what law says.

I know by fact that people who are ordered to depart get social help so you have a change, if you arent ISIS terrorist, black, grow a beard etc but then SUPO probably hire you if you arent one we should nuke....

I went there, just walked in, but I didn't have all the required papers with me, although they told me that I could do the application and bring the papers later, I prefered to picked them all first and then go (in order to study the application at home better. So these days is two months bank statements. Some Finns told me that my bank accound should have been closer to 200 euro and not closer to 1000 euro. But, I am stating that these are the money needed for me to leave. Anyway, I will go tomorrow again (Friday) with all the papers and let's see what happens. I will let you know as soon as I know the decision. They told me it takes 7-8 working days.

[Honest]

Until you have money in your account you don't stand a chance of getting anything from social office.

[neronakos]

Until you have money in your account you don't stand a chance of getting anything from social office.

Do you mean until I have no money or as long as I have money in my account?
So do they really expect from someone to have 0 euro? But then in this case, what if someone does a withdrawal one day before? or deposit the money to some friend's account. Wouldn't this look suspicious as well? And also, if I have 0 euros in my account and they give me a negative answer, then how will I leave the country? Or should I make all the arrangements to leave, buy even a ticket (which is kind of expensive) and 10 days before I leave do again an application and if I am lucky and after I will have notice the tenant that I am leaving the house, then I might get a yes?

[onkko]

Until you have money in your account you don't stand a chance of getting anything from social office.

Do you mean until I have no money or as long as I have money in my account?
So do they really expect from someone to have 0 euro? But then in this case, what if someone does a withdrawal one day before? or deposit the money to some friend's account. Wouldn't this look suspicious as well? And also, if I have 0 euros in my account and they give me a negative answer, then how will I leave the country? Or should I make all the arrangements to leave, buy even a ticket (which is kind of expensive) and 10 days before I leave do again an application and if I am lucky and after I will have notice the tenant that I am leaving the house, then I might get a yes?

Thats why they want at least 3 months of bank "papers".

And no i dont think you came here to get social benefits or that its your fault, you are part of problem what in long run means we cant have social benefits. Idea of EU migrant movement is that you are able to work in here without needing a paperwork but that idea didnt take in account that you may stay without a job.

I am sympathetic about your hurdle on our "papers please" government but in end you shouldnt be here.

[neronakos]

Thats why they want at least 3 months of bank "papers".

And no i dont think you came here to get social benefits or that its your fault, you are part of problem what in long run means we cant have social benefits. Idea of EU migrant movement is that you are able to work in here without needing a paperwork but that idea didnt take in account that you may stay without a job.

I am sympathetic about your hurdle on our "papers please" government but in end you shouldnt be here.

My problem is not regarding the papers. Every country asks for papers. Mine asks for even more papers that sometimes are not even related to the matter. My problem is that why they didn't inform me first thing on what is needed (back in May), then I would have arranged things differently. I might have even left back then, which would have been easier for everyone.
For instance, if they had told me, are you registered with TE Office? No. Then you should go and register, but do you have social security already? No. Then apply now and do the rest in the meantime. Anyway, there is no way of changing the past. I might have been unlucky and Ι got an officer who didn't think about it.

[Y77]

My problem is not regarding the papers. Every country asks for papers. Mine asks for even more papers that sometimes are not even related to the matter. My problem is that why they didn't inform me first thing on what is needed (back in May), then I would have arranged things differently. I might have even left back then, which would have been easier for everyone.
For instance, if they had told me, are you registered with TE Office? No. Then you should go and register, but do you have social security already? No. Then apply now and do the rest in the meantime. Anyway, there is no way of changing the past. I might have been unlucky and Ι got an officer who didn't think about it.[/quote]



That's exactly the main problem,they should have the equivalent of CAB in England,where people could go and get info about what to do step by step,run by pensioners.Let's hope things will improve with the new reform,with kela,jobcentreplus and all the other apparachick being merged into one, softer machine

[neronakos]

I went to the sosiaali and left my papers. No social worker or something. just a guy took my papers and said that they will make a decision in 7-8 days and they will send me an email if they need something more from me. Should I worry?