MKM parking firm scam

[Honest]

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[harryc]

There's some disturbance on this site - maybe due to the Philipine friends (administration has now taken it down).

In any case - one post that was up and now removed was IMO incorrect - the parking disc should be used so it shows ARRIVAL time - not when the permitted time should theoretically end.

Disk Parking
On some places where a parking time limit is set, the time limit is monitored with the use of parking disks. The owner of the car that is parked, uses this disk to indicate the time when he parked his vehicle. He then places the disk on the dashboard. Patrolling enforcement agents can now see at what time he parked the car and therefor for how long the car is parked. Disk parking is used at places where there is a time limit set for parking, but no charge.

[ajdias]

That must be from some foreign website...

In Finland we have this thing called Laki http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/alkup/1990/19900924

Saapumisajaksi on merkittävä pysäköinnin alkamista seuraava tasa- tai puolitunti, siitä riippuen kumpi ajankohta on aikaisempi.

[Honest]

If OP arrived at 17:00 he should have set the clock at 17:30. But anyway he shouldn't have got the sakko even it was set at 17:00

[Beep_Boop]

I'm not sure how I can unregister my plates. MKM has our car's info, they had it from before, so I don't see how getting it out of the public record will make a difference.

Cars get sold and bought, license plates change owners all the time. They need to make sure that you're the real owner every time they want to "fine" you. They cannot issue a bill to a car, so they pull your info from the public records and bill you. Almost everybody I know has done this.

[007]

That must be from some foreign website...

In Finland we have this thing called Laki http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/alkup/1990/19900924

Saapumisajaksi on merkittävä pysäköinnin alkamista seuraava tasa- tai puolitunti, siitä riippuen kumpi ajankohta on aikaisempi.

And see this

Merkittyä saapumisaikaa ei saa pysäköintikiekon käyttövelvollisuuden voimassaoloaikana muuttaa.

We do that all the time. Didnt know such law exists. Damn

[Rip]

If OP arrived at 17:00 he should have set the clock at 17:30. But anyway he shouldn't have got the sakko even it was set at 17:00

But for written reclamation I'd perhaps state that he arrived at 16.59. As crazy as it might sound, it could be argued it was against the letter of the law if not its spirit to set it at 17.00 when arriving at 17.00

[harryc]

Re: MKM parking firm scam
Unread postby ajdias » Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:08 am

That must be from some foreign website...

In Finland we have this thing called Laki http://www.finlex.fi/fi/laki/alkup/1990/19900924

Saapumisajaksi on merkittävä pysäköinnin alkamista seuraava tasa- tai puolitunti, siitä riippuen kumpi ajankohta on aikaisempi.

Sorry - not getting it - the paragraoph on Disc Parking I quoted is in conformity with Finlex - the comment about being foreign would seem to imply that it's not.

Disk Parking
On some places where a parking time limit is set, the time limit is monitored with the use of parking disks. The owner of the car that is parked, uses this disk to indicate the time when he parked his vehicle. He then places the disk on the dashboard. Patrolling enforcement agents can now see at what time he parked the car and therefor for how long the car is parked. Disk parking is used at places where there is a time limit set for parking, but no charge.

[harryc]

And see this

Merkittyä saapumisaikaa ei saa pysäköintikiekon käyttövelvollisuuden voimassaoloaikana muuttaa.

We do that all the time. Didnt know such law exists. Damn

Some may recall the invention from a few years ago. A motorized disc that you could change the time with remote control!

[harryc]

I called the Helsinki Parking Authority - and they said the 15 minute thing would seem to be an enigma so far as enforcement goes - even the notification is problematic - according to disc rules, if you arrive at 1705 - you should set disc to 1730 - but if a monitor comes by at 1725 - you have exceeded the limit.

The woman was also implying that it was somehow the driver's obligation to show the 15mins even though there is no acceptable device.

The OP should call a responsible person at MKM and get to the bottom of it - and the last thing they should do is pay the fine.

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And btw - I was told you don't have to pay fine even for Hki until the complaint is handled. I had gone to their main office when I got a ticket I wanted to complain about and got the opposite info - 1.5 years later I got it back.

[Godzilla]

damn, so if I park somewhere at 17.00 the wheel should say 17.30? that is messed up. Maybe they got me then, as far as that goes. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

But the fact that my wife wasn't driving, and can prove it, and they are billing her means we don't have to pay, so there's the upside. If they can play games, so can we.

This was in Jyvaskyla; don't know if that changes things.

[saika1984]

if you arrive at 1705 - you should set disc to 1730 - but if a monitor comes by at 1725 - you have exceeded the limit.

The exceeding limit part is not true. The parking disk starts to be effective from the next full half hour and SO DOES the timing. If a parking place has limit of 3 hours, you arrive at 17:05 and set disk to 17:30, at 20:10 do you exceed the limit? No. You only exceed if you are still parking at 20:31. So the maximum time you are allowed to park is (LIMIT+ 0 ~ 29min) depending on when you arrive. Although those less-than-30-minutes limits I never understand.

damn, so if I park somewhere at 17.00 the wheel should say 17.30? that is messed up. Maybe they got me then, as far as that goes. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

I heard you can wait in the car for 1 minute, when it is 17:01 it is safe to set as 17:30. But even if your disc is 17:00 it still shouldn't be breaking the rule. They can say that you arrived before 17:00, but the general rule says the timing only starts at 17:00. Unless if the rule is special when it is less than half hour, or there is a parking meter.

BTW should they provide evidence if you complain? In my home country they must take a picture when they write a ticket. I feel that I should have the right to refuse to pay if they can't provide evidence of such accusation.

[Honest]

I just don't get it why 15 minutes parking time should be treated any different than 30 minutes or one hour parking. There are simple rules to set the clock and there is no separate set of rules for 15 minutes parking. If a car can be parked 59 minutes at a 30 minutes parking why can't it be parked 44 minutes at 15 minutes parking.

OP should appeal the decision to the higher authority.

Parking ticket is not in driver's name. They can't know who was driving, ticket is sent to your wife because she is either owner or haltija of the car. It's her responsibility to find who was driving at that time. Just as speeding ticket is also sent to the owner and then he has to hand it over to the driver if car is not retorted stolen.

[Rip]

Parking ticket is not in driver's name. They can't know who was driving, ticket is sent to your wife because she is either owner or haltija of the car. It's her responsibility to find who was driving at that time.

With a municipal parking ticket, that is true. But these "sort of like parking tickets" that are issued by private companies, it is not. They are not based on the law regarding municipal parking, the "fine" in legal sense is purely based on (implicit) private contract between the driver and parking company. Owner (or "haltija") of the car no legal obligations in this case. I just hope OP did not screw that up by contacting them online (and sort of like confessing). His first line of defense under these circumstances should have been that the wife contacts the company stating (truthfully) "I did not drive the car".

http://www.kkv.fi/en/facts-and-advice/d ... g-control/

[Honest]

With a municipal parking ticket, that is true. But these "sort of like parking tickets" that are issued by private companies, it is not. They are not based on the law regarding municipal parking, the "fine" in legal sense is purely based on (implicit) private contract between the driver and parking company. Owner (or "haltija") of the car no legal obligations in this case. I just hope OP did not screw that up by contacting them online (and sort of like confessing). His first line of defense under these circumstances should have been that the wife contacts the company stating (truthfully) "I did not drive the car".

http://www.kkv.fi/en/facts-and-advice/d ... g-control/

Good to know. Very useful information.