Citizenship Application 2021

[betelgeuse]

” You are not required to have secure means of support if”

https://migri.fi/en/income-requirement

These people could then eventually apply for citizenship while having been on benefits.

Not only in these cases.

Yes, should have mentioned that the list is not exhaustive.

A few years ago the government decided it would be a good use of taxpayer money to pay unemployment benefits even to spouses who did have to show secure means of support for being granted an RP.
This feels like a policy designed by people who want women to be housewives.

It has been that way much longer. One can’t deny benefits when in the country since they are constitutionally quaranteed to everyone. Not sure how far one can push conditions for residence permits within the limits of the constitution.

[FinlandGirl]

A few years ago the government decided it would be a good use of taxpayer money to pay unemployment benefits even to spouses who did have to show secure means of support for being granted an RP.
This feels like a policy designed by people who want women to be housewives.

It has been that way much longer. One can’t deny benefits when in the country since they are constitutionally quaranteed to everyone. Not sure how far one can push conditions for residence permits within the limits of the constitution.

If it would not be constitutional to require support from the spouse, then considering spouse income for sufficient means of support would also not be constitutional.

Nothing changed regarding the RP requirements, the means of support requirements stayed the same.
What did change is that spouses are now paid unemployment benefits despite having demonstrated sufficient means of support as requirement for their RP.
In practice this is paying women for staying at home.

[betelgeuse]

Nothing changed regarding the RP requirements, the means of support requirements stayed the same.
What did change is that spouses are now paid unemployment benefits despite having demonstrated sufficient means of support as requirement for their RP.
In practice this is paying women for staying at home.

Which law (number/year) are you referring to?

[FinlandGirl]

Nothing changed regarding the RP requirements, the means of support requirements stayed the same.
What did change is that spouses are now paid unemployment benefits despite having demonstrated sufficient means of support as requirement for their RP.
In practice this is paying women for staying at home.

Which law (number/year) are you referring to?

1005/2012

[annie333]

” You are not required to have secure means of support if”

https://migri.fi/en/income-requirement

These people could then eventually apply for citizenship while having been on benefits.

Not only in these cases.

A few years ago the government decided it would be a good use of taxpayer money to pay unemployment benefits even to spouses who did have to show secure means of support for being granted an RP.
This feels like a policy designed by people who want women to be housewives.

What a great comment right on women's day. First of all spouse doesn't necessarily mean women spouse. Men can also marry finnish citizens and/or foreigners with a RP. Second, there is nothing wrong with staying at home, for example, when taking care of a family. I think it's great that the government supports families and gives some sort of independence to the people that deserve a life and the same treatment as their working partners.

[FinlandGirl]

” You are not required to have secure means of support if”

https://migri.fi/en/income-requirement

These people could then eventually apply for citizenship while having been on benefits.

Not only in these cases.

A few years ago the government decided it would be a good use of taxpayer money to pay unemployment benefits even to spouses who did have to show secure means of support for being granted an RP.
This feels like a policy designed by people who want women to be housewives.

What a great comment right on women's day. First of all spouse doesn't necessarily mean women spouse. Men can also marry finnish citizens and/or foreigners with a RP.

Spouses of Finnish citizens are a separate topic. They do not have to show means of support, spouses of unemployed Finns have always been eligible to unemployment benefits and no requirement to earn money for being granted citizenship.

Men can also marry ... foreigners with a RP. Second, there is nothing wrong with staying at home, for example, when taking care of a family.

Do you know a single case where a woman who moved with an RP in Finland has a long-term unemployed stay-at-home husband and children?
She has to earn at least 3500 Euro to fulfil the means of support to bring her children and husband with her to Finland.

I think it's great that the government supports families and gives some sort of independence to the people that deserve a life and the same treatment as their working partners.

The government only pays you money when you pretend to search for a job, unless you are very fertile and always have small children.

In practice most of your "independent people" in Finland who choose to not work and prefer to stay at home raising many children are women whose mother tongue is Somali who married a man twice her age.

The government also pays 7000 Euro per year taxpayer money for mail-order-brides imported to Finland, since they rarely find jobs.
In theory you are right that the government would also support mail-order-husbands with the same amount of taxpayer money, but in practice this rarely happens.

[mani121]

Not only in these cases.

A few years ago the government decided it would be a good use of taxpayer money to pay unemployment benefits even to spouses who did have to show secure means of support for being granted an RP.
This feels like a policy designed by people who want women to be housewives.

What a great comment right on women's day. First of all spouse doesn't necessarily mean women spouse. Men can also marry finnish citizens and/or foreigners with a RP.

Spouses of Finnish citizens are a separate topic. They do not have to show means of support, spouses of unemployed Finns have always been eligible to unemployment benefits and no requirement to earn money for being granted citizenship.

Men can also marry ... foreigners with a RP. Second, there is nothing wrong with staying at home, for example, when taking care of a family.

Do you know a single case where a woman who moved with an RP in Finland has a long-term unemployed stay-at-home husband and children?
She has to earn at least 3500 Euro to fulfil the means of support to bring her children and husband with her to Finland.

I think it's great that the government supports families and gives some sort of independence to the people that deserve a life and the same treatment as their working partners.

The government only pays you money when you pretend to search for a job, unless you are very fertile and always have small children.

In practice most of your "independent people" in Finland who choose to not work and prefer to stay at home raising many children are women whose mother tongue is Somali who married a man twice her age.

The government also pays 7000 Euro per year taxpayer money for mail-order-brides imported to Finland, since they rarely find jobs.
In theory you are right that the government would also support mail-order-husbands with the same amount of taxpayer money, but in practice this rarely happens.

For your information, the people with mother tongue "Somali" are critical to your ageing society/"Working people". Always look on both sides, rather than being so obsessed with envy. People are both working and not working here in Finland and regardless of nationalities government is helping them, you are not the only one working in Finland and bearing all taxes. If you have anything useful to add to this forum go ahead otherwise don't spread hate for other nationalities/people.

[maskara]

Not only in these cases.

A few years ago the government decided it would be a good use of taxpayer money to pay unemployment benefits even to spouses who did have to show secure means of support for being granted an RP.
This feels like a policy designed by people who want women to be housewives.

What a great comment right on women's day. First of all spouse doesn't necessarily mean women spouse. Men can also marry finnish citizens and/or foreigners with a RP.

Spouses of Finnish citizens are a separate topic. They do not have to show means of support, spouses of unemployed Finns have always been eligible to unemployment benefits and no requirement to earn money for being granted citizenship.

Men can also marry ... foreigners with a RP. Second, there is nothing wrong with staying at home, for example, when taking care of a family.

Do you know a single case where a woman who moved with an RP in Finland has a long-term unemployed stay-at-home husband and children?
She has to earn at least 3500 Euro to fulfil the means of support to bring her children and husband with her to Finland.

I think it's great that the government supports families and gives some sort of independence to the people that deserve a life and the same treatment as their working partners.

The government only pays you money when you pretend to search for a job, unless you are very fertile and always have small children.

In practice most of your "independent people" in Finland who choose to not work and prefer to stay at home raising many children are women whose mother tongue is Somali who married a man twice her age.

The government also pays 7000 Euro per year taxpayer money for mail-order-brides imported to Finland, since they rarely find jobs.
In theory you are right that the government would also support mail-order-husbands with the same amount of taxpayer money, but in practice this rarely happens.

Dont be toxic racist here ms fake finlandgirl. Nobody wants your tax. Stop blaming people when they use their constitutional right. If you think migri is understaffed for years ( which they only became so on late 2019), then why do they process some applications in 2-3 months and some over 17 months? Just sometimes use your brain pls, instead of trashtalk. On top of that, your discussions here are irrelevant. Go find another job. Also love is love, who marries which ages is non of your business. I would like to tell something but it would be against forum rules. I know you are “that” kind of person for sure. Fill the blank lol

[maskara]

In addition, i know so many Finnish men and women who aren’t working and getting unemployment benefits. They only drink and hangout in bars etc. So am i supposed to cry and say “oh they are eating my tax” ?. Being blonde doesn’t make you any better, infact we dont even know you are finnish. You are most likely being more king than king itself. If you still wanna cry, go and cry the government who charges enormous amount of taxes on top of not getting completely free health care, having most expensive car prices, life expenses, low salaries etc etc.

[FinlandGirl]

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[mani121]

In addition, i know so many Finnish men and women who aren’t working and getting unemployment benefits. They only drink and hangout in bars etc. So am i supposed to cry and say “oh they are eating my tax” ?. Being blonde doesn’t make you any better, infact we dont even know you are finnish. You are most likely being more king than king itself. If you still wanna cry, go and cry the government who charges enormous amount of taxes on top of not getting completely free health care, having most expensive car prices, life expenses, low salaries etc etc.

Nailed it bro (

[FinlandGirl]

Stop blaming people when they use their constitutional right.

What "constitutional right" are you referring to?
Which article of our constitution?

[maskara]

Stop blaming people when they use their constitutional right.

What "constitutional right" are you referring to?
Which article of our constitution?

I’m referring to Finland being welfare state. And can you refer your info about most people applying citizenship is having kela benefits all their lives and not working? Also refer about “Somalian housewives” who marries man twice her age? Also, the percentage of all taxes going to unemployment benefits? Also is there a condition that people with unemployment benefits can’t apply citizenship? If not why does that bother you so much? Are you a holding owner who paid millions in tax? You most likely paying 50 € tax per month and whining here. We don’t even know if you are working. Or you also get unemployment benefits but you are worried that when so many people take, they will cut yours?

So stop being toxic.

[mani121]

Stop blaming people when they use their constitutional right.

What "constitutional right" are you referring to?
Which article of our constitution?

I’m referring to Finland being welfare state. And can you refer your info about most people applying citizenship is having kela benefits all their lives and not working? Also refer about “Somalian housewives” who marries man twice her age? Also, the percentage of all taxes going to unemployment benefits? Also is there a condition that people with unemployment benefits can’t apply citizenship? If not why does that bother you so much? Are you a holding owner who paid millions in tax? You most likely paying 50 € tax per month and whining here. We don’t even know if you are working. Or you also get unemployment benefits but you are worried that when so many people take, they will cut yours?

So stop being toxic.

[FinlandGirl]

Stop blaming people when they use their constitutional right.

What "constitutional right" are you referring to?
Which article of our constitution?

I’m referring to Finland being welfare state.

Why does Finland being a welfare state imply for you that means-tested unemployment benefits should be paid to people who have shown that they already have sufficient means of support?

10 years ago these means-tested benefits were not paid to people who already have sufficient means of support.