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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by Faithful » Sat Jun 28, 2008 9:40 am

catchmeifucan wrote:When a person of one nationality travels to another nation he/she is termed as a foreigner. So, it is easy to understand that locals will always perceive foreigners as a sign/source of probable socio-economic-cultural change. The more nationalistic a country is; the more it will try to keep things the same way as they are. I don't think there is anything wrong in it. There will be always our way and foreigners way. It is human. Nothing to do with being racist. In fact, today with the fast change that is taking place in the world economy. Change is inevitable some countries will try to slow it down but, it will happen. The question here is how smart will the native poplulation be to apprehend and act accordingly to this change. The natives do not have to discard their culture rather I propose, they try to incorporate their way of living to the newly arrived foreigner. We sometimes refer to the external features of the culture. That's not what I am talking about. I am refering to the core values on which the soceity stands.

My observations goes like this, Finns are particularly aware of the change in the world. And they are very worried about the change in the population that's going to happen during the next decade and so on. I have always believed that peoples are individuals and the action of one individual cannot/should not implicate the whole community/nation. This is applicable to every on both the natives and the foreigns.

The country needs to create "only us" and "not us and them" or else it will be a disaster.

The fact is that it is very diffcult for a Finn to trust that a foreigner likes his/her country. It takes long time. But, that is the fun I guess. I have always believed that, for a foreigner in Finland "it will either make you or break you".

It is not easy to supress the negative emotions that one might possess but, one has to convert that, energy to positive activity. Those who have come in search for jobs in Finland. My advice as to the fellow foreigners are
1. Stop complaining and make a honest accessment of what you are good at.
2. Getting entry to local labour market is very tough. Check on the local norms.
3. Don't resort to any non-standard means to get work. This creates a negative effect.
4. Keep your promise. If you say something do it.
5. Don't blame anyone if you have a problem. Just fix the problem first. The try to ensure it does not happen.
6. The job demand in certain sectors are good but, as a whole it is very difficult for a Finn also to find a job.

I think, if I apply for a job in a country where I have immigrated to find a job and don't get any job. There is point is complaining. The natives always should get the preference. There can be a case if you are better than him/her.

I know most of you might not agree with me but, that is how I think. :)
I do agree with you some way apart from the part that "Finns are particularly aware of the change in the world. And they are very worried about the change in the population that's going to happen during the next decade and so on.
My opinion is it is good to have a progressive mind and a progressive mind welcomes change. But it is good also to guard what is your's jelously so every coin has two sides.
Though i dont think it is the foreigners who are influencing change in FINLAND probaly i would say NATURE the way a travelled finn sees things is not the way a rural one sees them.
Same to age the younger ones are looking at stuff differently too.
Then there is the MEDIA it is playing a major role more than foregners how funny that a huge chunk listen to hiphop and ape its gang sta way of doing things like bling bling dressing and all that is AFRO AMERICAN.
So change is inevitable finns no longer use horses and wagons they use cars, but it is good to guard what is yours jelously.
Yes foregners must be able to accept their position as ALIENS and know the natives come 1st so you must be better than them work 4times harder to position yourself right those are prices you pay for being an ALIEN. Take it or leave it



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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by catchmeifucan » Sat Jun 28, 2008 5:57 pm

It is important that one is looked upon as an asset. The melting point in this case is very high but, it does melt with persistent effort.

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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by Faithful » Sun Jun 29, 2008 9:12 am

I think that is true if you will be of benefit to a country they will accept you in a heart beat but if you will be a liability they frown at you.
So as an Alien one should know their position and must be aware that they are very vanerable

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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by catchmeifucan » Sun Jun 29, 2008 6:27 pm

Faithful wrote:I think that is true if you will be of benefit to a country they will accept you in a heart beat but if you will be a liability they frown at you.
So as an Alien one should know their position and must be aware that they are very vanerable
Well, if one foreigner is seen as an asset in Finland. One is deemed to possess qualities better than a Finn in work and so on. So, one would be intelligent enough to apprehend this risk factors and make choices. It is part of the deal. Both sides must get benefit from the relationship. That's life and applicable in every country even in one's own country.
Now, how big is the risk depends on one's capabilities. If one spends few years with Finns and understand what they want from one. Then it is easier for both parties.

Finn managers are very intelligent and make sure they inform, what they expect from the asset.

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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by Faithful » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:14 pm

catchmeifucan wrote:
Faithful wrote:I think that is true if you will be of benefit to a country they will accept you in a heart beat but if you will be a liability they frown at you.
So as an Alien one should know their position and must be aware that they are very vanerable
Well, if one foreigner is seen as an asset in Finland. One is deemed to possess qualities better than a Finn in work and so on. So, one would be intelligent enough to apprehend this risk factors and make choices. It is part of the deal. Both sides must get benefit from the relationship. That's life and applicable in every country even in one's own country.
Now, how big is the risk depends on one's capabilities. If one spends few years with Finns and understand what they want from one. Then it is easier for both parties.

Finn managers are very intelligent and make sure they inform, what they expect from the asset.
"It is part of the deal. Both sides must get benefit from the relationship. That's life and applicable in every country even in one's own country.
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I applaud this part more, so for a world to be okay we need to take a POSITIVE SUM position not a zero sum, It is a symbiotic relation where you get what you justly deserve.
So if FINNS managed to go to other countries during their own difficult time and sought Asylum due to economic situations or war and those countries intergrated them according to their abilities then she should also be able to reciprocate.
Apply the geneva convection in good FAITH don't get me wrong I don't mean they don't but having the ANTI FOREIGNERS attitude seems like a bad FAITH to me.
Let them get intergrated so they are of use to the society try and solve the hurdles that they are facing to get employment.
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Post by Hank W. » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:27 pm

Aren't peacocks protected by the Geneva convention? :twisted:
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Post by Hank W. » Mon Jun 30, 2008 4:36 pm

Faithful wrote:So if FINNS managed to go to other countries during their own difficult time and sought Asylum due to economic situations or war and those countries intergrated them according to their abilities then she should also be able to reciprocate.
Apply the geneva convection in good FAITH don't get me wrong I don't mean they don't but having the ANTI FOREIGNERS attitude seems like a bad FAITH to me.
Let them get intergrated so they are of use to the society try and solve the hurdles that they are facing to get employment.
See thats the problem. The difference is the Finns went to foreign countries and bent over backwards to integrate there. They were the ones to integrate. Not the other way around. Then you come here and expect us to bend over backwards again? No, a revelation - it is *you* who is the one that has to integrate. And why should you be the one to integrate? We see what you did to your country, and we don't want ours to come like that so we won't let you do the things that made your country like that either. If you get the point. Otherwise you are free to go back to wherever you came from and have "faith" to make it into a better country.
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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by Rick1 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:08 pm

Then you come to the question what is integration? The polish metalworkers, other it-people do not have to integrate because they are used as cheap labour or just pay taxes and keep their mouth shut.

Finland must understand that if it wants to have the benefits of being part of the EU, it will also get the !"#¤% of this EU (wait what the people say when the contribution to this magnificient waterhead will double in the coming years)

In other western countries it is perfectly well to survive only in english, in Finland not. This will stop integration in the first years when one has to learn the language and cannot find a job. (I am not speaking about the people whose skills are needed and have a job).

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Post by Hank W. » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:21 pm

Rick1 wrote:In other western countries it is perfectly well to survive only in english,
Well then go to other western countries. This is Finland. If Finland was other western countries then it wouldn't be Finland ! And go speak English only in Poland. And what of those people who speak Polish or Greek or Romanian, they need to spend 2 years learning English first? Who gave the limeys some sort of a pass - get into your place in the queue with the rest of the wwg's :twisted:
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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by EP » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:23 pm

In other western countries it is perfectly well to survive only in english
Well, I didn´t survive only in English in France. I had to learn French before I got a job. I didn´t even get an apartment before I managed to search it in reasonable French. I had to live in a hotel.

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Post by Rick1 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:26 pm

Hank W. wrote:
Rick1 wrote:In other western countries it is perfectly well to survive only in english,
Well then go to other western countries. This is Finland. If Finland was other western countries then it wouldn't be Finland ! And go speak English only in Poland. And what of those people who speak Polish or Greek or Romanian, they need to spend 2 years learning English first? Who gave the limeys some sort of a pass - get into your place in the queue with the rest of the wwg's :twisted:
Are you sure you are on the right forum Hank? Shouldn't you be on a meeting of the perussuomalaiset :ochesey:

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Post by Hank W. » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:46 pm

Rick1 wrote:Are you sure you are on the right forum Hank?
I'm just having my new Reinos on (got fed up about the socks&sandals jive) :twisted:
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Post by Rick1 » Mon Jun 30, 2008 7:50 pm

Hank W. wrote:
Rick1 wrote:Are you sure you are on the right forum Hank?
I'm just having my new Reinos on (got fed up about the socks&sandals jive) :twisted:
Wrong time of the year, sandals do well now it is warm :( Yep those sandals and socks can bring whole countries down to their knees, but the sandals and socks are rather deaf and blind and live nicely in their nice quiet area ( a little bit like Finland for years)

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Re: Finland-anti foreigners attitudes?????

Post by catchmeifucan » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:29 pm

Hank, lets say I am a foreigner could you please tell me what I need to do to integrate. :)

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Post by Hank W. » Mon Jun 30, 2008 8:55 pm

Do you need to?
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