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Post by Ace » Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:51 pm

brendan_uk wrote:While I am here, Sky have sold their 9.9% interest in Man Utd to a mystery shopper :shock:
American Billionaire so the rumour goes. Could be Fergies two Irish friends though, John Magnier and JP McManus:
The Guardian wrote:Shares rise again.


Nils Pratley and Jill Treanor
The Guardian


Manchester United's directors were forced to accept yesterday that a takeover bid for Britain's biggest football club has become a firm possibility as another 1% of the company changed hands, sending the shares up almost 8%. The price has risen 20% in less than two weeks and more than doubled since the start of the year.


Yesterday's main buyer has yet to reveal itself but market makers suggested it is Cubic Expression, the investment vehicle of wealthy Irishmen John Magnier and JP McManus. If so, Cubic's holding is likely to edge over 12%.

The Manchester United board, which has been trying to dampen takeover speculation, has been told by its City advisers that the heightened market activity increases the chances of a bid, even if no move is imminent. Chief executive David Gill, who last week dismissed takeover talk as "speculation", declined to comment yesterday as the shares rose 17p to 235p.


The Takeover Panel, which polices mergers and acquisitions, is understood to be monitoring the stake-building. Six months ago, the panel extracted formal assurances from Cubic and Irish financier Dermot Desmond, who has 1.5% of the equity, that they were not acting in concert. It may now ask for similar pledges from Cubic and Mr Glazer. The panel declined to comment last night but is thought not to have found any direct connections between the two.

Leading stakeholders in Manchester United:
JP McManus and John Magnier: 11.4%
BSkyB: 10%
Harry Dobson: 6.5%
Malcolm Glazer: 5.9%
Lansdowne: 5.2%
John de Mol: 3.5%
Legal & General: 3%
Dermot Desmond: 1.5%



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Ace

Post by Ace » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:06 pm

Reuters wrote:Sources told Reuters that Cubic Expression, the investment vehicle of Irish horseracing millionaires JP McManus and John Magnier, had bought the stake raising its share in the club to about 21 percent
Looks like its Fergies horse racing chums then. Interesting as allegedly they fell out over some horses semen :wink:

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Post by brendan_uk » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:15 pm

I reckon its the irish connection, Houliers job is up for grabs and Liverpool would surely ditch him for O'Neil. If the coolmore mafia want MON to take over at man utd they would have to show that they could influence the man utd succession process. What better way to say to O'Neil stay put and the man u jobs yours than to own 25% + of old trafford.

BTW how much did that guy make from Big Brother if he can spend £600 million on man utd!

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Post by PeterF » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:25 pm

[quote="brendan_uk
I dont think the FA have the power (or balls?) to walk into to old trafford and pull aside one of their star players. Thats the way it should happen, but I dont think it does in reality.
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The BBC have repeated three time a link from their report on this story to "the correct procedure" See the link... "Inside a drugs test"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/footbal ... 169798.stm
There is no such thing as a "routine drug test"..they are supposed to be Random Drug test..without forwarning..routine test find nothing any clever chemist can see to that.

This is the way it should work. It is certainly what happens in other sports.
The BBC have done more than hint that the FA have not been playing by the rules.
If Man Utd and other clubs have rigged up some cosy relationship with the FA whereby they say "We are coming to test your boy next Tuesday make sure what ever he is taking is out of his system by then!"
Then the Whistle has been blown to end that game.

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Post by brendan_uk » Tue Oct 07, 2003 1:35 pm

Peter Floyd wrote:FA whereby they say "We are coming to test your boy next Tuesday make sure what ever he is taking is out of his system by then!" Then the Whistle has been blown to end that game.
This is how I thought it always did work, not in theory but in practice.

Its been known for a while that italian FA random tests and actually catches high profile players, but all the english FA catch is a youth team player from scarborough who took an E at the weekend.

Maybe thats why they dropped him and have been seen to take a zero tolence stance on Rio as it was bound to throw the whole proceedure under the spotlight and what it showed wouldnt be nice!

Ace

Post by Ace » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:06 pm

ajdias wrote:Btw, this thread is now .'s n.1 (both in posts and views). .'s Real Madrid? :D :D
Yep cheers lads! Keeps me entertained every day anyway. Just need a few more contributors now to put a different perspective on things. A completely blinkered Arsenal fan :wink: and a few people from other countries like yourself would be nice ajdias.

I really should spend less time on this site though :cry:
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Post by PeterF » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:07 pm

Read/watch the report linked from the BBC reprt to Henry Winter of the Telegraph top right corner.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/footbal ... 169798.stm
Arrogance is the key word.
Arrogance is also mentioned as being at the back of the other "players playing badly off the pitch" story..
Too much money too little education on behaviour.
My theory is that;... yes, the big clubs have this cosy relationship with the FA by which they have re-arranged Random tests..against the rules of EUFA and FIFA etc.
There was such an arranged test for Rio..The officials travel up to Manchester spend the night in a hotel and then taxi to Old Trafford and this arrogant Rsol has decided to go AWOL...probably nobody at the club knew where he was ..they are sure to be totaly pissed off....he probably switched off his mobile...gone to the lake district for the day...moving house..
hevosen paska..when a Prem league player moves house he sits back and the fleet of pro movers take over..can you imagine Rio helping carry a fridge etc..
:wink:
So when the officíals get back to FA HQ with expences bills and no test results...and complain about Mr Arrogant Rio..
What then. ..questions are asked.."Why did the test have to be on Rio if its Random testing?"... somebody ..probably a junior who is not in on the deal..asks within the hearing of the England manager....(who has himslef managed a club where they played by the rules,) and is also pretty pissed off with arrogant prima donnas in his squad .."How can the test be random if the player knows it is him to be tested".. I can hear Sven Goran saying......"what that you are saying lad..tell me more!!"....And out comes the whole can of worms...
No way can he play Rio.. :oops: ..now the FA have to explain to FIFA/EUFA etc.
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Post by Slothrop » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:12 pm

Holy moly... I'm away for a few hours, and page 17, which had only JUST been uncorked, is now HISTORY! Damn, I'm glad I bet on this one to oust that English-speakers thread as #1.

Now I'd better go back and read the plot so far. This is getting better than the Forsyte Saga.
"Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available" (Benford's Law of Controversy)

Ace

Post by Ace » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:14 pm

Peter Floyd wrote:hevosen paska..when a Prem league player moves house he sits back and the fleet of pro movers take over
Like the . fleet of pro movers :wink:

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Post by Slothrop » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:21 pm

Oh, and Craig's got on the scoresheet (or was that rap-sheet), too. Abusive behaviour - £750. Developing into an annus horribilis for the game, this is.

By the way, last night in the short weather-window before the bastards at The Times make you pay to read, I managed to get a gander at their articles on the Ferdinand case, and also those of the (free) Gruaniad and Independent. All three put out the big guns. Not sure if you'll be able to read this anymore, but here's a Times link.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 94,00.html

If not, I've still got it and can copy/paste. It looks very much like they are using Ferdinand as a stick to beat the sport with, given that they have to tread softly-softly on the "other" topic.
"Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real information available" (Benford's Law of Controversy)

Ace

Post by Ace » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:23 pm

I stole it too. Feel like Robin Hood now :wink:

Ferdinand adds to England's burden
By Simon Barnes

THE latest sporting controversy lays bare a sad fact of modern sporting life: no one is surprised any more at any story about any drugs in any sport, no matter who is involved.

Rio Ferdinand is a centre back of great distinction. Two things distinguish him from the competition: (1) an air of grace and sang-froid in possession; (2) the certainty that no matter how self-assured he looks, he will always commit at least one catastrophic error per match.

Ferdinand failed to supply a sample of his urine when requested to do so for a drugs test. This would seem to represent one of Ferdinand’s trademark catastrophes. What I always love about watching Ferdinand is that he treats his silken touches and his schoolboy howlers with the exact same degree of lofty disdain. But this time, for once, looking cool and distinguished won’t actually do the business.

Remarkably, Ferdinand maintained his reputation for cool even after drinking alcopops and getting busted the morning after his 18th birthday. He failed a breath-test at the age when he was first touted as the answer to England’s defensive problems for years to come. But looking cool has always been Ferdinand’s best trick. It prompted Manchester United to pay £30 million for him.

Football has long had an uneasy relationship with drugs. Naturally, the sport wants a squeaky-clean, role-model image, but it has never actually bust a gut when it comes to catching people. Mark Bosnich, the former Chelsea goalkeeper, was banned from playing for nine months when traces of cocaine were found in his urine sample but, by then, he was probably the most expendable footballer in the world. It sets an awkward precedent, though, when it comes to drugs cases with less expendable footballers.

The trouble with an effective drugs programme is that it is going to catch a lot of people. Cleaning up a sport requires that you first give the impression that the sport is full of druggies. This is precisely what happened with athletics, with swimming, with cycling. No sport wants to be like that.

Whether the drugs make you better at sport or give you lots of fun, what remains is that we are talking about stuff that can be lethal. Paul Merson, the former England player, has written disturbingly of his addiction to alcohol, gambling and cocaine — problems football doesn’t like to talk about.

So, to put things at their very mildest — even though there is no suggestion that Ferdinand was involved in taking drugs — a failure to provide a urine sample is a vote for a drugs free-for-all. As for the rest, it is now in the hands of m’learned friends and of a Football Association that seems unsure of its own policy on drugs.

Football is increasingly becoming an arena of social irresponsibility. We seem to be nurturing a generation of talented, privileged and protected young men. Increasingly, we get hints of a louche and expensive world in which the gilded few can do what they like and never pick up the moral bill. In modern footballing life, it seems that everything is permitted so long as the tabloids don’t hear.

And as we sit back to condemn these over-rewarded boys and shudder at the massive temptations they can afford, it is worth wondering what created this troubling situation. For the answer is us.

We did it. We did it by liking football. All of us who watch the game are part of the spiralling business of money and spectacle and excitement and triumph and disaster. Things are running out of control and it is all done to bring us pleasure.

So will the nation take a moral stance and refuse to watch Saturday’s match between England and Turkey to demonstrate that enough is enough? I think not. Therefore, we accept the situation. And we are willing to let the cycle continue.

Ace

Post by Ace » Tue Oct 07, 2003 2:55 pm

Just come accross a great post, taken from a Rangers board. Obviously there is a lot of trouble anticipated at the upcoming Champions league games. Anyway a good but long read if you can be arsed:

Rangers Article: Who the @#$% are Utd
This is the editorial of the current gers fanzine "Follow Follow" It's a response to the threats of violence for the upcoming man u v gers matches.

WHO THE @#$% ARE MAN UNITED?
Well, they're a big club from Manchester who are so big most of their fans wouldn't even think to chant, "Who the @#$% are Glasgow Rangers?" For us to imagine that we have a rivalry with them is to delude ourselves in the same manner than Aberdeen fans dream that Rangers care about them. I looked at our Champions League draw and my heart sank - not so much because of the quality of the opposition but because I knew right away we would have some problems - or so I thought.

The Greeks are nutty whichever team you play, their police are not renowned for their professionalism and Panathanikos' shamrock-like club emblem means Celtic's inbreds will latch onto them and our own numbskulls will think they are something to do with the IRA. Manchester United are labeled as a Catholic club mainly through Celtic hanging onto their coat-tails in the last twenty years and Stuttgart played Celtic a while ago and as the German fan culture includes a lot of scarf and badge swapping I expected to see some of them attired as Germanic leprechauns at Ibrox.

I was pleasantly surprised by the Stuttgart fans - I was outside the Copland Road underground and surrounding streets and bars for about two hours before the game and only saw one of them with a Celtic scarf - the vast majority of them were buying Rangers gear and swapping scarves. Someone else said they spotted a wee group with Celtic tops inside the ground but to be honest I think the Germans deserve a gold star in their jotters for being good visitors and turning their backs on the obvious.

When we played Galatasary a few season ago there was a great interview with a load of Bluenoses in Istanbul who were getting on great with the locals - "we treat them like we'd like to be treated and we've had no problems" was the quote of the year and summed up the sort of attitude we should have.

MAKING FRIENDS AND FIGHTING OTHER PEOPLE'S BATTLES
Reading Manchester United websites and fanzines leaves you with an uncanny feeling of deja vu. If you substituted the word Rangers for United you can move the articles and letters into FF and not notice the difference. Like us, though on a vastly bigger scale, they suffer from the petty hatreds and jealousies of the unsuccessful and the unambitious. Add in the Warrington and Arndale Centre bombings and the change in attitude to Celtic's visiting hordes is startling. Where once they were treated as an amusing sight - so many drunken Jocks in such a small time - they are now viewed with horror. Those bombings have woken up loads of United fans to what was in their midst. So when Scottish journalists pump out 'stories' (inventions more like) about "Rangers fans send for the words of the Manchester City song Blue Moon" ask what are their motivations? When they fill their pages with stories of Celtic and United fans teaming up for aggro or English hooligans trying to attach themselves to Rangers ask what are their motivations? Their motivations are hatred of Rangers and a sick wish to stir up trouble. Why would Rangers fans want to behave in a way which drives any fan of any other club into the arms of Celtic's seedy embrace?

YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW
If any numbnut starting singing about the Munich Air Disaster ask them if they are happy for United fans to sing about the Ibrox Disaster? You might also want to remind them of the events at the first game to be played at Anfield between Liverpool and Manchester United after the Hillsbrough Disaster. I've never seen or heard anything like it. The simple, brutal, obvious thing for the United fans to do would have been to pay back the Scousers for forty years of baiting about the Munich Air Disaster with some frightfulness about the deaths at Hillsbrough. They didn't. They simply handed out the biggest collective humiliation and lesson in good manners I have ever witnessed. Throughout the 90 minutes they sang, "Where¹s your famous Munich song?" - the Scousers had no answer, they looked at their feet, they cringed, the remained absolutely silent. Even more than that the United fans held their discipline and not one of them sold the jerseys by mentioning Hillsbrough. What would you pay to have fans with that wit and that sense of discipline like at Ibrox? Or would you prefer numbskulls like the clown who ran onto the pitch during the Stuttgart game?

Ignore provocations - anyone looking in knows who the @r$3gh013 is. Reject the attempts at phony friendships. Don't be conned into fighting other people's battles because some loony from Millwall claims to have Rangers as his second team - all they are trying to do is hide amongst Rangers because they don't have the ability or bravery to take on other clubs by themselves. They'll walk away from the wreckage and leave us to pick up the blame. So when abroad, or meeting visiting fans in Glasgow - act as an ambassador for Rangers.

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Post by PeterF » Tue Oct 07, 2003 3:37 pm

Here is the News about the new Owners of Man Utd.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3170290.stm

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Leeds United

Post by junot » Tue Oct 07, 2003 8:32 pm

Just now on sky news it was reported that Leeds United are giving full cooperation to West Yorkshire police regarding a sex assault in the city last night. Two people are said to be in custody.
phil_h

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Re: Leeds United

Post by Ace » Tue Oct 07, 2003 8:44 pm

junot wrote:Just now on sky news it was reported that Leeds United are giving full cooperation to West Yorkshire police regarding a sex assault in the city last night. Two people are said to be in custody.
Your not wrong junot. Whats going on with all these footballers :?:


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