International football and Irish pubs

Andrew_S · Post by **Andrew_S** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:44 pm

I was surprised just a few years ago when I learnt that the orange of the Republic's flag represented Protestantism. A very noble statement I thought.

The little book I found it in said the green represented Ireland.

Definitely could do with a fish 'n chip shop. If your referring to the Dublin I agree although haven't checked it out for a long time.

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Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:50 pm

A lot of flag stuff explained here, especially the origins are interesting:
http://www.fotw.net/flags/ie.html

Sean · Post by **Sean** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 1:03 am

Irish flag is NOT Green, White and Gold

Ok, I was never that good at history anyway not the point.... although I think we are getting to the bottom of this one....

The Finns in Brussels like to drink at the Irish pubs. We come full circle...hehe

The finns in Munich also like to drink in an Irish bar, one in particular Killians where they have their monthly finnish association meeting.
I think there is a pattern here?
1. Irish pubs in Finland have nothing whatsoever to do with Ireland,(apart from Guiness, which, after all, is just an alcoholic drink and therefore not unusual to see it IN A PUB) and are mostly populated by, beleive it or not, Finns!!!
2. Finnish people abroad would much rather spend their time drinking down the 'Irish' (lets just call it 'english-speakng') bar than drinking at a, ahem, finnish bar...
3. Many, and I mean many, many, many, (I've met loads and they admit it) finnish girls make a point of seeking out foriegn boyfriends, no doubt they do this down the 'english-speaking' bar
4. Finnish males have got the highest suicide rate in Europe

Ok, I know its a touchy subject but to me it looks like a definite pattern...
Any thoughts?

sflint · Post by **sflint** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 2:36 pm

Deman wrote:
Not only that but every time there is a flag on display it is Green, White and Orange, not Green, White and Gold as the Irish flag is.
I'm sorry Sean but I don't mean to cause a political debate here and as sflint has already pointed out, the Irish flag is NOT Green, White and Gold but IS Green, White and Orange. Maybe you skipped history lessons at school. Either that or you went to school in Northern Ireland. :thumb_up:
Just to put the record straight Deman, I went to school in N Ireland and managed to pick up that little nugget of info so obviously it's nothing to do with that...

Stu

Deman · Post by **Deman** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:25 pm

sflint wrote:
Deman wrote:
Not only that but every time there is a flag on display it is Green, White and Orange, not Green, White and Gold as the Irish flag is.
I'm sorry Sean but I don't mean to cause a political debate here and as sflint has already pointed out, the Irish flag is NOT Green, White and Gold but IS Green, White and Orange. Maybe you skipped history lessons at school. Either that or you went to school in Northern Ireland. :thumb_up:
Just to put the record straight Deman, I went to school in N Ireland and managed to pick up that little nugget of info so obviously it's nothing to do with that...

Stu

A lot of my friends, both Protestant and Catholic, went to school in Northern Ireland and it was quite interesting to see the differences in what was being taught depending on the school, whether it was a Protestant school or Roman Catholic school. Apart from that I'm sure the education was fine but history is seen with two different views in Northern Ireland. No insult intended sflint. The school that I attended was/is integrated and therefore a more neutral view was taught. I'd be interested in hearing what you think

fionna · Post by **fionna** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:12 pm

I'd always thought that the whole point of Irish bars was to provide a kind of home away from home, where you could get a packet of Taytos and watch the GAA match. I was young and naive then...

The worst Irish bar I ever was in was in Toronto, the bar staff were dressed in Irish dancing costumes. *shudder*

Deman · Post by **Deman** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:31 pm

fionna wrote:I'd always thought that the whole point of Irish bars was to provide a kind of home away from home, where you could get a packet of Taytos and watch the GAA match. I was young and naive then...

The worst Irish bar I ever was in was in Toronto, the bar staff were dressed in Irish dancing costumes. *shudder*

Aaahhhh!!! A packet of Taytos!!!! No matter where in the world you go, they're definitely the best

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 4:35 pm

Sean wrote:1. Irish pubs in Finland have nothing whatsoever to do with Ireland,(apart from Guiness, which, after all, is just an alcoholic drink and therefore not unusual to see it IN A PUB) and are mostly populated by, beleive it or not, Finns!!!
2. Finnish people abroad would much rather spend their time drinking down the 'Irish' (lets just call it 'english-speakng') bar than drinking at a, ahem, finnish bar...
3. Many, and I mean many, many, many, (I've met loads and they admit it) finnish girls make a point of seeking out foriegn boyfriends, no doubt they do this down the 'english-speaking' bar
4. Finnish males have got the highest suicide rate in Europe

Maybe 1&2 and 3&4 go hand in hand, but I can't get them all four to match.

I'm going to my pub, no Guinness (might have in a can though, but too dear), no Irish... and no women. Hmmm... is this the 2&3 connection? Better go find a sturdy branch then...

jcooper · Post by **jcooper** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:50 pm

Sean this finally leads me to this question, you're Irish right, you don't know the colour of the flag right...why exactly are you in Finland? Sounds like you're having a major case of the blues and taking it out on those poor Irish bars. I think you'll find that there a far worse Irish bars in other places that poor old Molloys. I'm sure any Moroccan would be pretty pissed off with Dublin effort with Zanzibar, considering most of the population don't actually drink.

If you're really desperate you can head over to Estonia, Molloys there and Bar No-Name, whilst totally not Irish either, both do show Sky Sports.

Still only in US themed Irish Bar would they seel a beer named Black & Tan, now thats really pissing off

brendan_uk · Post by **brendan_uk** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 7:58 pm

jcooper wrote:Still only in US themed Irish Bar would they seel a beer named Black & Tan, now thats really pissing off

shocking!!

Slothrop · Post by **Slothrop** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:02 pm

Sean wrote:1. Irish pubs in Finland have nothing whatsoever to do with Ireland,(apart from Guiness, which, after all, is just an alcoholic drink and therefore not unusual to see it IN A PUB) and are mostly populated by, beleive it or not, Finns!!!
2. Finnish people abroad would much rather spend their time drinking down the 'Irish' (lets just call it 'english-speakng') bar than drinking at a, ahem, finnish bar...
3. Many, and I mean many, many, many, (I've met loads and they admit it) finnish girls make a point of seeking out foriegn boyfriends, no doubt they do this down the 'english-speaking' bar
4. Finnish males have got the highest suicide rate in Europe

Well now, Oim tinking tis will be someting to read and weep den.

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/20 ... 368015.asp

According to the Irish Examiner, Irish, yes IRISH youth seem to top the bill. Although my understanding of it is that the Lithuanians are streets ahead of everyone else.

But of course it's a nice line to throw out about the Finnoids.

Check this one, too.

http://www.rferl.org/nca/features/2002/ ... 073543.asp

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:49 pm

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'No Name' in Tallin gets my vote too

jcooper · Post by **jcooper** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:13 pm

Actually you'll not hear me disagree, but as far as I'm aware Ireland does not actually record suicide as suicide. So its hard to gauge the actual numbers, I'm not sure about nowadays but it certainly was quite high quite a few years back.

But hey WLM why are you reading that rag the Irish Examiner anyway

A wannabe national with only regional coverage!

Hank I guess you've also been to the Oktoberfest bar across the road?

Deman · Post by **Deman** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:30 pm

jcooper wrote:Actually you'll not hear me disagree, but as far as I'm aware Ireland does not actually record suicide as suicide. So its hard to gauge the actual numbers, I'm not sure about nowadays but it certainly was quite high quite a few years back.

It's still high man. Every time I go back, I always hear of someone local topping themselves, usually teens/early 20s. Sad but true.

sflint · Post by **sflint** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:51 pm

Hi Deman, in reply to your message...

I went to a largely protestant school, in a staunchly loyalist Co. Antrim town and consider myself to be N Irish and British, but to be honest I came away with a fairly low opinion of most of the British actions in dealing with... well most of the world really, during their imperialistic phase. I don't think that in most cases on either side it's the teaching that's the problem, I think it's the predjudices knocked into the kids from a young age that make them hear what they want to hear.

I think also that attitudes and strength of feeling varies greatly from area to area depending on the economic prosperity of that particular area... just an idea.

Problem is in NI many people find it difficult to stand back and get some perspective on things that happened. They tend to be ruled by their political stance (Unionist/loyalist or Nationalist/Republican) and not able to deal with different issues on a pragmatic basis...

Cheers

Stu

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