Why foreigners are so often a topic in the news

[greenhorn]

Why do you think there's discussion about imposing tuition fees for foreign students then...

It is still in a discussion phase. When it has to be done, it will be done swiftly without any discussion. The government must be doing its own study to assess the situation. Or am I wrong ?

[antstar]

Why do you think there's discussion about imposing tuition fees for foreign students then...

It is still in a discussion phase. When it has to be done, it will be done swiftly without any discussion. The government must be doing its own study to assess the situation. Or am I wrong ?

Maybe i need to get my name down for my masters before this happens then

[Hank W.]

Theres a few matters of principle there in question. Not that they wouldn't toss the principles out the window if push came to shove. But theres more cows in the ditch than just this philanthropic one. Now as keeping up standards and providing education in weird foreign languages does cost somewhat, theres the egg & chicken dilemma. If there were tuition fees - would there be enough students coming? As now the "free" education atleast draws the non-EU students which also makes the competition quite hard. Or would there be enough traffic from the EU through the Erasmus & Sokrates exchanges. Many of these Nowheremäki polytechnics exist... well... for regional reasons. Of course the majority of the students still are local yokels, but stating the obvious to the Nowheremäki fathers gets them to spew out holy wrath implying people only come to their arse-end of the universe because they couldn't get in anywhere else.

[Hank W.]

Maybe i need to get my name down for my masters before this happens then

You are a "Finn" already, dolt. You can't drive a car with foreign registration for the same reason. You one of us now homie. (Besides which you're EU so you wouldn't be "foreign" anyways)

[raamv]

Isnt that the reason that they are now calling this mega university the "Innovation University"

[Hank W.]

hair dye or other colour substances are not

Hö, there goes my kenkäplankki and jazztupakka... I can fake a Caucasian though

[antstar]

Maybe i need to get my name down for my masters before this happens then

You are a "Finn" already, dolt. You can't drive a car with foreign registration for the same reason. You one of us now homie. (Besides which you're EU so you wouldn't be "foreign" anyways)

True but i'm not a Finn !! and i still have my Uk plates on maybe i'll change this weekend. I did actually enquire about the masters but i have so much on, and i think their not so happy about me doing it p/t. But if i stop now i'll never get back into it.

[greenhorn]

I think there are other ways for this problem(?) as well. If someone comes for education, and if they get a job, they would definitely like to accept it. Most people study to get jobs and if one has been in a country for two years to study, it is more easier to work there for that person than a fresh immigrant. So it requires few things to be done, like easing of permit rules for graduates from the country. I think Í saw it somewhere that 'Finland educated' people do get some sort of preference. I know few people who came here to do business studies, stuck around for jobs and still working. Ofcourse they had to pay for MBA.

These things could be done before an outright fees for foreigners thing is done. I am sure, there are many other aspect and would be looked upon.

[sammy]

Or would there be enough traffic from the EU through the Erasmus & Sokrates exchanges.

Socrates is kaputt btw, it's LLP nowadays - anyway in Erasmus (and the majority of other student exchanges) there would be no tuition fees, it's even now the same for Finns who go abroad via Erasmus (ie they do not need to pay tuition fees even if they're normally charged in the destination country)... then again, exchange students do not usually have the option of staying, they bugger off to their home universities after the exchange... of course they may decide to come back later! However, attracting foreign degree students is another matter altogether.

[raamv]

Yes, but Money for education and legality will be separate issues!!
Lots of folks willing to fork out cash for legal status in countries in the EU!!so easing of permit rules will not help that way!!
but Foreigners must be integrated with Finnish education if they come here for study and work.
It should be a requirement of the Universities and the workplace.
Then you can start thinking about giving subsidies for companies for this education as it is an investment..etc..
Currently Companies are not obligated to do this..( and a lot of other things )

[raamv]

Or would there be enough traffic from the EU through the Erasmus & Sokrates exchanges.

Socrates is kaputt btw, it's LLP nowadays - anyway in Erasmus (and the majority of other student exchanges) there would be no tuition fees, it's even now the same for Finns who go abroad via Erasmus (ie they do not need to pay tuition fees even if they're normally charged in the destination country)... then again, exchange students do not usually have the option of staying, they bugger off to their home universities after the exchange... of course they may decide to come back later! However, attracting foreign degree students is another matter altogether.

Well, Sweden is having a Tax free program for foreign workers who work in Sweden for less than 2 years and bugger off...they get their tax money once they leave after 2 years or so( not sure about 2 yrs or 5 yrs)..so might not be a bad option to attract vagabonds..

[Hank W.]

True but i'm not a Finn

Once you have that magic number you are one of us, just a slob like one of us... as far as the tax office sees it.
So if you come to live in Finland with some other excuse than studying, then you're for example eligible for KELA support etc.

[greenhorn]

Yes, but Money for education and legality will be separate issues!!
Lots of folks willing to fork out cash for legal status in countries in the EU!!so easing of permit rules will not help that way!!
but Foreigners must be integrated with Finnish education if they come here for study and work.
It should be a requirement of the Universities and the workplace.
Then you can start thinking about giving subsidies for companies for this education as it is an investment..etc..
Currently Companies are not obligated to do this..( and a lot of other things )

The assumption is that if one is rich, and is happy with job/education situation, then he/she won't go to a foreign country for study or work.

[antstar]

True but i'm not a Finn

Once you have that magic number you are one of us, just a slob like one of us... as far as the tax office sees it.
So if you come to live in Finland with some other excuse than studying, then you're for example eligible for KELA support etc.

Thats true i DO like these EU rules about "country swapping" instead of committing myself to be called a Finn, i just say i'm onh oliday here for a few years or so! I did get on the Kela register but that was only really to get on the Language course, and soon after i started i started work. Shame really it was fun. so now i'm just a slob

[raamv]

The assumption is that if one is rich, and is happy with job/education situation, then he/she won't go to a foreign country for study or work.

Thats not how the MITS, Harvards, UCBs, Yales and the Stanfords, got their money !!
The rich and happy lack pride and so go off to the rich and happy schools/Univs abroad where they spend their moneys to get a rich education!!