Residency Permit - re: Time, Marriage Papers, Fees, Kela.

[cors187]

You do know that if you leave Finland for that long you have to apply for residence permit etc etc all over again?

I would be chasing employment residence.

[Pursuivant]

I would be returning to Finland to live and work afterwards.

And face the exactly same twiddle-dee-thumbs as you probably would find some excuse not to file in Australia... oh well, I guess some people like counting them trees.
The first permit is always for a year, and then you need to reapply and you get another one with an "end date" up to max 4 years. After that you can apply for a permanent permit (no end date). However if you don't show enough love to the turf, the "continuity" is broken and even the permanent permit can be revoked if you reside 2 years elsewhere. And for citizenship you need to be ass-on-home-sofa resident for 4 years, so in principle, if you're a prodigy and ace the language test, you can get citizenship before permanent residence. Magic of bureaucracy that. Nevermind Nordic citizens who can get it in 2...

[Adrian42]

You do know that if you leave Finland for that long you have to apply for residence permit etc etc all over again?

I would be chasing employment residence.

You would not get a residence permit.

[interleukin]

I'm not saying you wouldn't get a second residence permit, but look at it from Migri's angle. You have a random foreigner that gets married in a helluva hurry to get to stay in Finland, only to decide that he doesn't want to stay here after all. Coming back a year later, he's apparently decided that he wants to stay. He's planning to get a residence permit based on work despite having spent the last year out of the country. I bet there are going to be quite a few cases that they are happier to decide on quickly and with a positive decision.

[anotherpunk]

What you all don't know is I have been in contact with official Immigration offices and talked to about my option for leaving for a year and they all said that is fine as long as I report it and have a good reason.
I think taking my wife to meet her husbands family and experience his country qualifies.
I know my ability in being able to stay here and all of the bureaucracy hell that goes along with it.
I know it is not ideal the way I am going about it, but I also know it is the best shot I have with staying in the same country, let alone hemisphere as my partner.
I didn't ask for the opinion of what I should do instead and what I will do in the meantime. I have more productive things to do with my "free" time than twiddle my thumbs sitting on the couch.
I am asking for answers from people who are sure on the topic, people with personal experience with this topic.
Thanks and goodnight.

[ctownfrowner]

to make an appointment at the police station can take a while, so just be prepared for that with only the two months. keep in mind the decision is not always positive so it pays to have a back up plan. my first permit was negative but before they gave their decisions i handed in a new application. took me one year to finally get my permit. just something to think about. its a long road but it is worth it!

good luck with it all and feel free to msg me with any questions. maybe i can help

[Adrian42]

What you all don't know is

Yeah, we already noticed that you like to play games with us by omitting relevant details from your descriptions of your situation.

Why did you ask here in the first place, when you anyway think you already know better than the other people here?

[cors187]

What you all don't know is


I didn't ask for the opinion of what I should do instead and what I will do in the meantime.
I am asking for answers from people who are sure on the topic, people with personal experience with this topic.

You need to read between the lines , those examples you think you didnt ask for are from experience and will give you some ideas when things don't go according to plans or along as fast as you want.Anyway its a forum and you withhold information so expect some member to post with the double edged sword.

[cors187]

I would be chasing employment residence.

You would not get a residence permit.

What do you mean?
I mean while hes here find an employment contract.Come back into finland when the work permit is ready.

Ive done some country hoping and i agree with interlukin.Look at it from migri's point of view, the subject comes into the country on a 3 month tourist visa and 2nd month in decides on getting married and wants to stay.
We all know what migri will do, they will drag out the process and make the subject twiddle his thumbs until they are ready.

[ritan7471]

I have personal experience.

My husband and I have been a couple for many years. I just moved to Finland in August, two years after he decided that life in America was not for him. For various really important reasons (terminally ill parent who would need my care within the next several months of my huband's exit), I could not leave the US permanently before then. I decided not to chase a residence permit until I could live in Finland permanently.

In my experience, people don't die if they are not on the same hemisphere as their partner. If the relationship is real it will survive a separation of months and even years. Whatever Migri tells you now "I think visiting my family and country is a good enough reason" may not fly when the actual situation comes and you apply for re-entry to Finland after letting your residence permit expire during a long absence from Finland.

Spouses have been denied residence permits when it doesn't appear that they have a true desire to live in Finland permanently, or that their marriage is for convenience's sake to be allowed to live in Finland.

The other posters are not trying to be jerks, they are trying to help you understand that Migri is not necessarily going to accept that you applied for step one of eventually receiving permanent residence, and then relatively quickly left the country for a long absence that was not absolutely necessary. Your partner can meet your family on holiday. I'ts not essential for you to go back for one year, even though you haven't seen your family for a couple of years.

I'm not just giving you a personal opinion, and I'm not trying to bring you down. But you have to prepare yourself for the posibility that your residence permit extension may not be approved.

[Adrian42]

I would be chasing employment residence.

You would not get a residence permit.

What do you mean?
I mean while hes here find an employment contract.Come back into finland when the work permit is ready.

If among the many things he omitted there is a college degree he has a chance of getting a residence permit based on work, otherwise that is unlikely (even if someone would offer him a job).

[Pursuivant]

I have more productive things to do with my "free" time than twiddle my thumbs sitting on the couch.

Why yes, the newhusband on the in-laws farm? Otherwise, I don't quite fathom what one can do, "productively" without money or right to work or access to... well.. anything. Unless you play didgeridoo in the station tunnel competing for coins with the winos.

[cors187]

If among the many things he omitted there is a college degree he has a chance of getting a residence permit based n work, otherwise that is unlikely (even if someone would offer him a job).

I know your right, but the guy did mention he had a Employment permit in England.

Currently I am a legally residing in the UK on a working visa there

It may account for a portion of whats necessary.Because a degree is only valid to enter certain fields, it doesn't mean anything other than that.On the other hand is the ability to enter a field without diploma, purely based on experience and skill set.
Marriage and res permit, then staying to not find a job, or
Find a job now,res permit, then marriage.
Or maybe straight off the bat not even finding a job and understanding the market, or finding out that even if you do speak Finnish , no one is gonna pay you more than 13.80euro/hr, or the fact that your not even allowed to do overtime if you ask for it, because legislation requires the employer to pay overtime.

i mean this discussion has gone beyond what the OP wants right?
I just figured as many of you have , that having to sit in a country and not being able to do anything is counterproductive.The kind of counter productivity that can cause problems for young marrieds.

I don't think it matters what mindset or language a person has. "The early bird catches the worm".

[Adrian42]

If among the many things he omitted there is a college degree he has a chance of getting a residence permit based n work, otherwise that is unlikely (even if someone would offer him a job).

I know your right, but the guy did mention he had a Employment permit in England.

An Australian citizen who is under the age of 31 can live and work for 2 years in the UK on a working holiday visa.

Just like he can do the same for 1 year in Finland.

All the skills requirements of normal work visa don't apply to working holiday visa. Working holiday visa are typically used by 18 year old kids who travel for one year between finishing school and starting university.

[Adrian42]

If among the many things he omitted there is a college degree he has a chance of getting a residence permit based n work, otherwise that is unlikely (even if someone would offer him a job).

I know your right, but the guy did mention he had a Employment permit in England.

An Australian citizen who is under the age of 31 can live and work for 2 years in the UK on a working holiday visa.

Just like he can do the same for 1 year in Finland.

All the skills requirements of normal work visa don't apply to working holiday visa. Working holiday visa are typically used by 18 year old kids who travel for one year between finishing school and starting university.