foreign applicants score vs finnish applicants score

[farfaraway]

I don't know if it is true or not since I didn't do my Bachelor's degree in Finland. However, even if it is true, I don't see it as a problem. We, as foreigners, come to Finland to study for FREE (as in no tuition fees) using taxes paid by Finnish people. Where else in the world that you can get your Master's degree (2 years) for ~15000EUR (the living cost in 2 years), and a degree in Finland can be used anywhere in EU (I am not sure about US, but at least it is recognisable)

[RevealingtheTruth]

edit: double post

[RevealingtheTruth]

I don't know if it is true or not since I didn't do my Bachelor's degree in Finland. However, even if it is true, I don't see it as a problem. We, as foreigners, come to Finland to study for FREE (as in no tuition fees) using taxes paid by Finnish people. Where else in the world that you can get your Master's degree (2 years) for ~15000EUR (the living cost in 2 years), and a degree in Finland can be used anywhere in EU (I am not sure about US, but at least it is recognisable)

farfaraway~Thank you for your response~However, it was a political decision made by Parliment, and if this was assumed to be a problem (free tuition) then it would have never been decided. I think it is a great decision, because it makes Finland known globally. Be honest, most students would not even think of going to school in Finland if it was not for free...I am sure you are one of them as I am. Just because the tuition is free does not mean the integrity of admission should be compromise for those who have been part of their(finland) educational system. Even so if the educational system in Finland is better then it would most definitely reflect in the admission scores of the finnish students/applicants. Also, you don't have to bend over backwards just because the taxes are paid by the finnish people, being successful and completing school in finland reveals much appreciation. btw every country infringes taxes on their citizens, even tax programs that support foreigners and immigrants.

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[RevealingtheTruth]

Perfect, another idiot making the rest of us (the ones who are actually grateful for the opportunity to study in Finland) look bad.
If you're so concerned about the scoring system then just score high enough to get in.

dzammes~already in, gee where is your sense of pride of human integrity?...you don't have to bend over or suck up to the finns just because you go to school in their country...

[Upphew]

I don't know if it is true or not since I didn't do my Bachelor's degree in Finland. However, even if it is true, I don't see it as a problem. We, as foreigners, come to Finland to study for FREE (as in no tuition fees) using taxes paid by Finnish people. Where else in the world that you can get your Master's degree (2 years) for ~15000EUR (the living cost in 2 years), and a degree in Finland can be used anywhere in EU (I am not sure about US, but at least it is recognisable)

farfaraway~Thank you for your response~However, it was a political decision made by Parliment, and if this was assumed to be a problem (free tuition) then it would have never been decided. I think it is a great decision, because it makes Finland known globally. Be honest, most students would not even think of going to school in Finland if it was not for free...I am sure you are one of them as I am. Just because the tuition is free does not mean the integrity of admission should be compromise for those who have been part of their(finland) educational system. Even so if the educational system in Finland is better then it would most definitely reflect in the admission scores of the finnish students/applicants. Also, you don't have to bend over backwards just because the taxes are paid by the finnish people, being successful and completing school in finland reveals much appreciation. btw every country infringes taxes on their citizens, even tax programs that support foreigners and immigrants.

RevealingtheTruth

Why is it ok for Harvard to demand SAT, but not ok for Finnish universities _not_ to demand matriculation examination?

[varinen]

this discussion is overflogged, to the aggrieved parties you make up this topic just because you failed the entrance exam also even if they admitted 100% based on the entrance exam and you still fail, you will still complain.
wasn't it written on the schools website that 50% will be admitted on basis of the entrance exam and the other 50% on finnish qualification before you applied? to me this is fair enough or are you expecting them to use the tax payers money paid mostly by the finns to educate you while their own kids stay out of school? again how many foreigners is you country giving such an opportunity that the finnish government is giving? is education free in your country?.....................it is not compulsory you study in finland my friend try elsewhere or betterstill stay in your country.

mind you i am not a finn neither am i a EU citizen.

[RevealingtheTruth]

this discussion is overflogged, to the aggrieved parties you make up this topic just because you failed the entrance exam also even if they admitted 100% based on the entrance exam and you still fail, you will still complain.
wasn't it written on the schools website that 50% will be admitted on basis of the entrance exam and the other 50% on finnish qualification before you applied? to me this is fair enough or are you expecting them to use the tax payers money paid mostly by the finns to educate you while their own kids stay out of school? again how many foreigners is you country giving such an opportunity that the finnish government is giving? is education free in your country?.....................it is not compulsory you study in finland my friend try elsewhere or betterstill stay in your country.

mind you i am not a finn neither am i a EU citizen.

as i stated earlier, i am now attending finnish college,with less than a 1year to complete studies. nope... the finnish government expect their citizens to pay the taxes. also education in my country is fair not free....
RevealingtheTruth

[RevealingtheTruth]

I don't know if it is true or not since I didn't do my Bachelor's degree in Finland. However, even if it is true, I don't see it as a problem. We, as foreigners, come to Finland to study for FREE (as in no tuition fees) using taxes paid by Finnish people. Where else in the world that you can get your Master's degree (2 years) for ~15000EUR (the living cost in 2 years), and a degree in Finland can be used anywhere in EU (I am not sure about US, but at least it is recognisable)

farfaraway~Thank you for your response~However, it was a political decision made by Parliment, and if this was assumed to be a problem (free tuition) then it would have never been decided. I think it is a great decision, because it makes Finland known globally. Be honest, most students would not even think of going to school in Finland if it was not for free...I am sure you are one of them as I am. Just because the tuition is free does not mean the integrity of admission should be compromise for those who have been part of their(finland) educational system. Even so if the educational system in Finland is better then it would most definitely reflect in the admission scores of the finnish students/applicants. Also, you don't have to bend over backwards just because the taxes are paid by the finnish people, being successful and completing school in finland reveals much appreciation. btw every country infringes taxes on their citizens, even tax programs that support foreigners and immigrants.

RevealingtheTruth

Why is it ok for Harvard to demand SAT, but not ok for Finnish universities _not_ to demand matriculation examination?

IDK....you are definitely not qualified to know anything about the US Universities and so am I , as I have not experienced their educational system.... , however we are both part of the finnish system, and i speak from experience of myself and others foreign students regarding their experience....Harvard is fair for both international students and foreigners....
here is their comment/quote regarding the admission process for american citizens and international candidates...

We are often asked by prospective students, “Do you count me as an international applicant?” Because applicants from outside the United States go through the same admissions process as American students, we do not categorize individual applicants in such a way. We have no quotas of any kind for admission, all applications are evaluated by the same holistic criteria, and financial aid is equally available to all students regardless of citizenship.
When we refer to “international admissions,” we are generally referring to applicants who apply from schools outside the United States. In general, if you are applying from a school abroad, you will follow the same procedures and timetables as candidates applying from schools located in the United States.
As you see here it states clearly the same procedures..... https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/ ... applicants

[RevealingtheTruth]

Then go home and pay, if that's what you think is better?

tsk, tsk tsk....your racism horns are flaring once again.... take a drink and be happy

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[RevealingtheTruth]

You inferred that your home is better and you're not happy with the system here so clearly, GO THERE AND BE HAPPY. It has nothing to do with race. But I'll admit that I'm starting to feel a very prejudiced brain-ism against you. You seem possibly thick, and in general, I don't like people who bask arrogantly in their own idiocy.

tumma~you need to just chill, or to be more accurate unchill and sit in the sauna.... you are trying to make this personal and it is not.... I have much love and respect for Finland... i am satisfied knowing you cannot kick me out of the country....anyhow sweet dreams

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[Upphew]

Why is it ok for Harvard to demand SAT, but not ok for Finnish universities _not_ to demand matriculation examination?

IDK....you are definitely not qualified to know anything about the US Universities and so am I , as I have not experienced their educational system.... , however we are both part of the finnish system, and i speak from experience of myself and others foreign students regarding their experience....Harvard is fair for both international students and foreigners....
here is their comment/quote regarding the admission process for american citizens and international candidates...

We are often asked by prospective students, “Do you count me as an international applicant?” Because applicants from outside the United States go through the same admissions process as American students, we do not categorize individual applicants in such a way. We have no quotas of any kind for admission, all applications are evaluated by the same holistic criteria, and financial aid is equally available to all students regardless of citizenship.
When we refer to “international admissions,” we are generally referring to applicants who apply from schools outside the United States. In general, if you are applying from a school abroad, you will follow the same procedures and timetables as candidates applying from schools located in the United States.
As you see here it states clearly the same procedures..... https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/ ... applicants

Sure, very fair. SAT or ACT is the test schools teach for in US, just like our matriculation exam. They also arrange all kinds of extracurricular activities and staff is used to "handcraft eloquent letters" for their students. No edge there for local talent?

[RevealingtheTruth]

Why is it ok for Harvard to demand SAT, but not ok for Finnish universities _not_ to demand matriculation examination?

IDK....you are definitely not qualified to know anything about the US Universities and so am I , as I have not experienced their educational system.... , however we are both part of the finnish system, and i speak from experience of myself and others foreign students regarding their experience....Harvard is fair for both international students and foreigners....
here is their comment/quote regarding the admission process for american citizens and international candidates...

We are often asked by prospective students, “Do you count me as an international applicant?” Because applicants from outside the United States go through the same admissions process as American students, we do not categorize individual applicants in such a way. We have no quotas of any kind for admission, all applications are evaluated by the same holistic criteria, and financial aid is equally available to all students regardless of citizenship.
When we refer to “international admissions,” we are generally referring to applicants who apply from schools outside the United States. In general, if you are applying from a school abroad, you will follow the same procedures and timetables as candidates applying from schools located in the United States.
As you see here it states clearly the same procedures..... https://college.harvard.edu/admissions/ ... applicants

Sure, very fair. SAT or ACT is the test schools teach for in US, just like our matriculation exam. They also arrange all kinds of extracurricular activities and staff is used to "handcraft eloquent letters" for their students. No edge there for local talent?

no sir, the sat or act is an exam that all students including foreigners must take to enter into University in the United States and the matriculation exam (exit high school or secondary)may be compatiable in finland, in the US there is no exit exam/matriculation exam, but in orderto be admitted in college in the US oneneed to take the SAT or ACT... However, to enter into a particular program such as Business, Nursing, Pharmacy, etc...there would be another exam in which all applicants would have to test.... so if an applicant wishes to enter into a specific program then there would be another exam and it would be the same for international applicants as well as local citizens. If letters of recommendations are required it is then required for all students...the only difference is the tuition is not free, but most qualify (including foreigners)for financial aid assistance...and some are awarded scholarships based upon their academic G.P.A or for example there can be scholarships awarded to international student from finland...check it out you may want to go to school in the United States

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[Upphew]

no sir, the sat or act is an exam that all students including foreigners must take to enter into University in the United States and the matriculation exam (exit high school or secondary)may be compatiable in finland, in the US there is no exit exam/matriculation exam, but in orderto be admitted in college in the US oneneed to take the SAT or ACT... However, to enter into a particular program such as Business, Nursing, Pharmacy, etc...there would be another exam in which all applicants would have to test.... so if an applicant wishes to enter into a specific program then there would be another exam and it would be the same for international applicants as well as local citizens. If letters of recommendations are required it is then required for all students...the only difference is the tuition is not free, but most qualify (including foreigners)for financial aid assistance...and some are awarded scholarships based upon their academic G.P.A or for example there can be scholarships awarded to international student from finland...check it out you may want to go to school in the United States

RevealingtheTruth

So you are advocating that Finland should put matriculation examination as mandatory requirement for admission? I'm a ok with that. Or are you proposing that we drop the matriculation as it would not be used to anything?

Matriculation examination was The entrance test to gain entry to university of Helsinki hundred years ago or so.

[Oho]

tsk, tsk tsk....your racism horns are flaring once again.... take a drink and be happy

RevealingtheTruth

Inability to suffer fools gladly is not racism especially as thus far I have not seen any references to your race, that said it apparently is one that grants the impenetrable seal of victim-hood.

[Beep_Boop]

Am I missing anything here? Is it really that difficult to understand that when you introduce a new admission vector (foreign students) you have introduce a new admission criteria? Since you already have one for people graduating from Finnish highschools, modifying it is too costly, so you opt for the most economic and easier solution - two admission systems.

It sounds so logical and rational to me. Why are we arguing here?