Eon or Fortum - Whichone is cheaper

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Post by Cod » Sun Mar 01, 2009 6:31 pm

DMC wrote: Would better roof insulation have a better return than better windows, for example?
I'd say that you'ld be best to insulate walls and roof first. We did this in UK with five hundred flat/apartments in a terribly designed 1960's estate and the results were truly dramatic. The payback on insulation is very quick compared to changing heating systems etc. Of course it's not always easy to insulate but at some point we have to bite the bullet, even if it means internal wall face insulation - ie losing precious net floor area.

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Post by DMC » Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:41 am

Pursuivant wrote:the electronic imaging joss stick you were referring to, you can get a cheap IR cam for hire yourself too, but depending if you can save the images is another thing as they're usually nightvision type, and they don't invert as well.
Oh right. I don't know about any financial help with that. When we were looking we contacted the local council and they put us in contact with one person/company that provides that service, but they didn't mention any help with the cost. The guy they suggested quoted 600 euro, which we thought was too much.

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Post by DMC » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:23 am

cow-heada wrote:I'd say that you'ld be best to insulate walls and roof first.
That's true as a generalisation. For most houses that would be a good approach. The problem comes when you consider a specific house. One that is old and has had some work already done. Perhaps it has been significantly modified over the years. Perhaps there are some poor aspects of the original design. That is when it is difficult for the layman to know what to tackle first. Even professionals can struggle. I asked an architect who specialises in old houses for advice about our house, but didn't get a straight answer. Life would be much more simple with a new build!

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Post by Cod » Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:26 pm

..as to the IR cam, I've seen consultants flick images up on the screen during a sales pitch but I've never been in a company that actually asked for one to be used.

I think the answer is fairly simple, in that it just tells you what you already know.

If you can't simply guess where you are losing heat, ie by touch and draught you could just use an electronic ear thermometre (no I'm not kidding) to measure internal surface temperatures of your rooms. I used this on our home recently, surface temp's of around 20 degrees on all walls, 18 degrees on the windows. Now, an IR image would only have confirmed that. If we were losing heat via a single section of wall having no insulation, tell tale signs such as condensation and cold-to-touch is probably enough to tell you something is missing.

A well insulated house will not have cold internal surfaces. In Finland, it's even simpler to crack this, since its very very cold, and heat loss from a very warm room is much easier to track, than say Cornwall which is a tad more mild. When sitting it the room, you will feel 'radiation draught' which is the opposite of sitting in front of a fire, it's like sitting in front of an open freezer - it's not the air coming over the skin that feels cold, its the rapid loss of thermal radiant heat from your face and hands which is not complimented by radiant heat from the cold surface. In a nut shell, just sitting in a room, and using your senses, you can figure out alot in terms of it's thermal performance - although, I'll admit, it really helps if the whole house isn't a complete write-off and you can move from warm room to cold room - rather than draughty room , to cold room to wet room etc. The senses get confused.

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Post by luckykitty » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:18 pm

Pursuivant wrote:I get S-card bonus off Vantaan Energia...
How much do u think the S-card bonus equates to if I'm just living alone in a small apartment :o? Is it worth switching to?

Ps the bonus thing about S-card, what is the minimum total amount of purchase per month or per year to get a bonus? Is it averaged, or do they just give it for each month. l ike if i get my energy bill every quarter or half year, its going to give the bonus for that month?

Thanks :o

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Post by raamv » Tue Mar 03, 2009 11:43 pm

luckykitty wrote:
Pursuivant wrote:I get S-card bonus off Vantaan Energia...
How much do u think the S-card bonus equates to if I'm just living alone in a small apartment :o? Is it worth switching to?

Ps the bonus thing about S-card, what is the minimum total amount of purchase per month or per year to get a bonus? Is it averaged, or do they just give it for each month. l ike if i get my energy bill every quarter or half year, its going to give the bonus for that month?

Thanks :o
Well it depends on which region you belong to but you can get upto 5% money back when you spend upto €1500 per month... on ALL S-card related purchases..
= €75 per month!! and sometimes during certain months ( like Dec. June you can get upto 10% back)..
So if you electricity bill is €200 every 3 months..and on that month you getr that €200 counted towards a bonus, you can get upto 5% back..( I think that it was 4% for upto €1000 .. etc)
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Post by Upphew » Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:40 pm

raamv wrote: Well it depends on which region you belong to but you can get upto 5% money back when you spend upto €1500 per month... on ALL S-card related purchases..
= €75 per month!! and sometimes during certain months ( like Dec. June you can get upto 10% back)..
So if you electricity bill is €200 every 3 months..and on that month you getr that €200 counted towards a bonus, you can get upto 5% back..( I think that it was 4% for upto €1000 .. etc)
Does one get bonus for both transfer and energy? Or only energy?
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Post by raamv » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:17 am

Upphew wrote:
raamv wrote: Well it depends on which region you belong to but you can get upto 5% money back when you spend upto €1500 per month... on ALL S-card related purchases..
= €75 per month!! and sometimes during certain months ( like Dec. June you can get upto 10% back)..
So if you electricity bill is €200 every 3 months..and on that month you getr that €200 counted towards a bonus, you can get upto 5% back..( I think that it was 4% for upto €1000 .. etc)
Does one get bonus for both transfer and energy? Or only energy?
I think that the bonus is for the bill amount ( Saldo)
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Post by Upphew » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:35 am

raamv wrote:
Upphew wrote: Does one get bonus for both transfer and energy? Or only energy?
I think that the bonus is for the bill amount ( Saldo)
"Bonuskertymäsi karttuu arvonlisäverollisesta sähkönmyynnistä. Sähkönsiirtomaksut eivät lisää bonuskertymääsi."

So it seems it was as I suspected. You only get bonus from the energy, not from transfer.
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