Egyptian girl wishes to work and live in Finland, Help?

[Upphew]

Go to Sweden if you don't want to stay in your own country. Your use of the Swedish language will help you so much more than speaking it here in Finland.

Sad fact is that you'll make more enemies than friends with Swedish in Finland. And the plan of starting the B1 language at 6th grade won't generate happy feelings either.

[Kutittaa]

I doubt she knows Swedish. She's Egyptian. There'd have to only be a 'handful' of people who do, if you know what I mean. She probably just figured it would be far easier to learn and because it's the second official language and she could try that way. In that case, and even if she already does know Swedish. The answer is still the same. Go to Sweden, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

[AldenG]

Having a first fair-and-free election is an accomplishment.

Having a second one is less common, especially after electing an ideological or especially a religious party.

One-election revolutions that then devolve back into dictatorship are unfortunately a sad commonplace in emerging and re-emerging democracies.

I wish them the best but I'll wait and see. It does not surprise me, somehow, that Egyptian women seem more worried than Egyptian men.

[AldenG]

I doubt she knows Swedish. She's Egyptian. There'd have to only be a 'handful' of people who do, if you know what I mean. She probably just figured it would be far easier to learn and because it's the second official language and she could try that way. In that case, and even if she already does know Swedish. The answer is still the same. Go to Sweden, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.

Yeah, but it took me 4-6 months to begin being comfortably conversant in Swedish and 2 years to begin being uncomfortably, marginally conversant in Finnish. (I only began being comfortable and decent at it around the 3-4 year mark.) I agree Sweden would be much easier and offer many times more opportunity to her. But if she's already going to be a minority in Finland regardless of language, how much worse could it be to speak Swedish well and be limited to a Swedish-speaking area? Thank God I had Hufvudstadsbladet as my "training wheels." And Swedish subtitles were really helpful in learning Finnish.

[AldenG]

But then realistically, what work meaningful work could there possibly be for an Egyptian girl in a Finland-Swedish enclave of Finland?

[Ellen Ripley]

@Ellen Ripley

Can you answer my two questions which are as follows:

1) A few days back, The entire universe witnessed a fair and transparent elections and for the first time people choose their leader (Unlike the old days when Hosni Mubarak used to win with 99.99% of votes).

So, Don't you think you are being very negative and disrespectful to your own people (Egyptians) especially who sacrificed with their lives to ensure democracy, freedom, and equal opportunities for you and your fellow Egyptians ?


2) Why you are expecting things will get worse even though the president will: (http://edition.cnn.com/2012/06/26/world ... -politics/)?

EDIT I've already answered, so there is no need to keep this information in public.

My opinion, in Finland people speak swedish is about 5 %, but Swedish is the second formal language at here.
So if you speak swedish , it would help u much. Better than english speaking.
If u speak Swedish and english fluently or good, my opinion its good enough to get job , especially in area like PORVOO.
30 Km from Helsinki. Most of people at here speak swedish ...., and for more better again if you apply RP to Sweden ..., cause like others guys in this forum said......, Sweden much more international the environment compared to Finland, especially u speak Swedish/english, its mean no problem in language....at all.

Some migrants difficult to get job but some others easily. Its just depend on ur self.

Hello! I want to clear something, I don't speak Swedish actually, I was asking 'what if' I know Swedish, because I didn't find courses here which teach Finnish, that's why I asked if Swedish would be any help. Thanks for the information

[Logic]

This is not a platform to discuss Egyptian politics!!!! You can have these pointless debates in an Egyptian forum.

[Ellen Ripley]

This is not a platform to discuss Egyptian politics!!!! You can have these pointless debates in an Egyptian forum.

I was just answering his questions, that's all.

[Samer2010]

@Ellen Ripley

Thanks for answering my questions. No disrespect, But, Having visited Egypt for 19 times between (1994 - 2011) I'm having a very hard time believing any word of what you've written.

Anyhow, Good luck finding a Finnish husband or asylum application.

[Ellen Ripley]

@Ellen Ripley

Thanks for answering my questions. No disrespect, But, Having visited Egypt for 19 times between (1994 - 2011) I'm having a very hard time believing any word of what you've written.

Anyhow, Good luck finding a Finnish husband or asylum application.

well, cause you are a tourist, maybe that's why you never noticed. It's up to you whether to believe me or not.

[AldenG]

This is not a platform to discuss Egyptian politics!!!! You can have these pointless debates in an Egyptian forum.

I think it's enlightening to hear about real-life experiences of a would-be immigrant.

If you imagine being an educated Christian or atheist or a moderate anything and finding that your government suddenly wants to repeal laws allowing women to divorce or to drive or to walk unveiled, maybe it will shake some of your stereotypes of Muslims seeking new homelands.

So much is written and argued and tolerated in FF about Muslim immigrants based on hearsay and assumptions and purely ideological opinionating.

Plus she can start to recognize why she would probably be better off trying to move to a more cosmopolitan and welcoming place (to Egyptians) than Porvoo or Korsnäs or Helsinki. So much can hang in the balance for people on these life decisions or dreams sometimes based on little more than a travel poster or a conversation or mere whimsy.

It only becomes a pointless debate if a bunch of people start denigrating or otherwise editorializing about her life experience.

[Ellen Ripley]

Well, it looks like even asking how can I move to live in Finland isn't that welcomed, as if I don't have the right to live there, or even ask. Thanks anyway. And yes, if admin or mod wants to remove the whole topic, no problem

[rinso]

Well, it looks like even asking how can I move to live in Finland isn't that welcomed, as if I don't have the right to live there, or even ask.

There is absolutely no problem in asking as you did. Off course some questions might provoke reactions (this is a free country so there are very few restrictions as to how people can react). Because we get a lot of the same questions reactions can be a little harsh, like:
- read the migri site/use the search function.
- no Finnish no jobs
- asylum from a safe country
Finland is not utopia but it is better than a lot of places and therefore a lot of people will try their luck to get a piece of the cake.

as if I don't have the right to live there

Indeed you don't have the right. It is a favor. And the favor is only given under certain conditions and can be revoked if you lie about your situation or if you try to beat the system (i.e. fake marriage).
You are not the first one who tries to escape a miserable situation. We have seen it all on this forum.

And I agree with AldenG that it is good to hear about the background situation. It gives your situation a more human angle (instead of being an other fortune hunter).

[Kutittaa]

There is nothing wrong with asking how to come here but you've been given the answer many times, not only that but you've been given some really good advice. Yet you keep refusing it. So naturally when we run out of things to tell you (because your options are so limited) there isn't much else for us to say except "No, it's not a good idea".

[AldenG]

Anybody else read about the female British reporter Natasha Smith (student AND practicing journalist, apparently) who was stripped and sexually assaulted a couple of days ago in Tahrir Square by a pack of men in a mob celebrating the "New Egypt" and its new freedoms?

It seems religious extremism isn't so different around the world. The names and the icons change, but the psychology is pretty much the same: boys taught to fear and hate female sexuality and then the predictable outcomes of that.