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kam_fin
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by kam_fin » Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:54 pm

Can anyone help me with this? And in general, what do they actually require from my accountant? I have a small toiminimi (just providing some service, not selling anything) with very low income as a side business alongside my stable full-time job.

Migri requested:
"Submit the two most recent profit and loss statements and balance sheets. Also submit a certificate from your accountant of your personal withdrawals, salaries and/or dividends you have received from your business during the years 2024–2025."

However, my accountant said:
"Do they need the statements according to double-entry bookkeeping, or will they accept single-entry bookkeeping statements? Also, ask what kind of salary report is required, since in taxation your profit is considered your salary."



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Maaria
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Maaria » Wed Aug 27, 2025 7:35 pm

kam_fin wrote:
Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:54 pm
Can anyone help me with this? And in general, what do they actually require from my accountant? I have a small toiminimi (just providing some service, not selling anything) with very low income as a side business alongside my stable full-time job.

Migri requested:
"Submit the two most recent profit and loss statements and balance sheets. Also submit a certificate from your accountant of your personal withdrawals, salaries and/or dividends you have received from your business during the years 2024–2025."

However, my accountant said:
"Do they need the statements according to double-entry bookkeeping, or will they accept single-entry bookkeeping statements? Also, ask what kind of salary report is required, since in taxation your profit is considered your salary."
Toiminimi is not required to do double entry book keeping unless the total revenue limis crossed. According to vero, more than 100k. So single entry is fine.

Private withdrawal means how much money you took out from your business account for personal use. Thats what they want. But your accountant is correct. In practice, business profit is your personal money, regardless of which account it is sitting in. But migri wants to see how much are you spending for yourself, I guess.

kam_fin
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by kam_fin » Wed Aug 27, 2025 9:43 pm

Maaria wrote:
Wed Aug 27, 2025 7:35 pm
kam_fin wrote:
Wed Aug 27, 2025 4:54 pm
Can anyone help me with this? And in general, what do they actually require from my accountant? I have a small toiminimi (just providing some service, not selling anything) with very low income as a side business alongside my stable full-time job.

Migri requested:
"Submit the two most recent profit and loss statements and balance sheets. Also submit a certificate from your accountant of your personal withdrawals, salaries and/or dividends you have received from your business during the years 2024–2025."

However, my accountant said:
"Do they need the statements according to double-entry bookkeeping, or will they accept single-entry bookkeeping statements? Also, ask what kind of salary report is required, since in taxation your profit is considered your salary."
Toiminimi is not required to do double entry book keeping unless the total revenue limis crossed. According to vero, more than 100k. So single entry is fine.

Private withdrawal means how much money you took out from your business account for personal use. Thats what they want. But your accountant is correct. In practice, business profit is your personal money, regardless of which account it is sitting in. But migri wants to see how much are you spending for yourself, I guess.

Thanks so much for your quick response, it’s really helpful!

Just want to clarify one thing: do you think a business bank account statement alone would suffice to prove the business profit (which I report as my salary)? In my tax filings, I’ve declared my entire profit as salary, although I haven’t withdrawn all the money from the business account.

What do you think—could the bank statement be enough in that case?

fa_finland
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by fa_finland » Wed Aug 27, 2025 10:29 pm

Auringon_kukka wrote:
Tue Aug 26, 2025 5:31 pm
fa_finland wrote:
Tue Aug 26, 2025 3:36 pm
Maaria wrote:
Tue Aug 26, 2025 6:58 am


Not totally similar, but partially. Just a toiminimi, no job. Supplement was send income statement and balance sheet for last 5 years. Private withdrawal and deposit certified by accountant. Accountant certificate that your business was not required to file financial statements with trade register.

I don't understand why they are making it mandatory to get thise from accountants. If you did not use an accountant regularly, what are you supposed to do? Vero and PRH does not require you to have an accountant, if your revenue and business size did not cross a certain limit, if you were a toiminimi.
Thank you for your response. In my case, I have just registered toiminimi 6 years ago and then I haven't done anything related to it. Is there any place where I can check if my toiminimi have earned anything, or does it work only if I have reported the income? I need to double check If I have received any payments in the past through it.

Now I wish I shouldn't have registered it at all :x
Your toiminimi would not have generated any income if you had no billings. Did you ever have any correspondence from Vero in connection with your toiminimi? Did you ever fill out tax returns as a business operator?
Thank you for your response. No, I never had any correspondence with Vero and neither I had filled any tax returns, since there was no billings. Now i am aware that I should have filed returns even if the income has been zero. I will get in touch with Vero and hopefully it wont be complicated (because toiminimi was registered 6 years ago :cry: ).

vaikuttaja
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by vaikuttaja » Thu Aug 28, 2025 10:31 am

Helloitsme wrote:
Tue Aug 19, 2025 10:53 pm
Gonna cry soon. Applied 27.05.2024, visited migry 4.07.2024. Stage 2 from 4.04.2025, complete silence. I dont even recieve automatic messages anymore hahaha
Stage 2 from late March, same situation. No additional requests after the first one, no automatic messages any more. Applied in spring 2023.

Zuzufin
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Zuzufin » Thu Aug 28, 2025 11:08 am

Hi all!
applied and a week has passed and they still haven't sent me a Dairy Number. Any idea when they will send out this.

ebrahimian
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by ebrahimian » Fri Aug 29, 2025 12:43 pm

Kissukat wrote:
Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:32 pm
ebrahimian wrote:
Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:05 pm
Hi! Anyone from early 2023?
I visited migri Feb 2023 and I have been waiting for 2.5 years now.. So frustrating..
A friend of mine recently received his citizenship, he applied 27.02.2023. I guess yours will come out within the next two weeks hopefully.
Ughhh.. I applied 23.02.2023 :( I really hope it comes soon for me. Thank you for sharing.
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Maaria
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Maaria » Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:53 pm

TUserFin wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:06 pm
Thanks everyone in this group, I got citezenship today on basis of enterpreneurship. I submitted my application on 4th of July 2023. It took 23 month and 1 week to get to the stage 2. As I knew from this forum that it will go into processing after 23 months for enterpreneurs, I requested all updated papers from my accountant since the begginig of the company a week ago and attached them. I also took a screenshot from Vero that I paid all taxes on time. As a result, processing stage lasted today 2 hours without additional requests.

All the best to others who are still waiting and feel stress as I felt. You will also get to this stage, and all the stress will be in the past for you soon!

Note

If the applicant’s income is based on business activities, the following documents must be enclosed in
the application:
• extract from the Register of Companies dated less than six months ago
• profit and loss account and balance sheet for the most recent financial period
• certificate from the accounting firm on wages paid or takings into private use
What to do for a toiminimi, when your supplement request is asking for accountant certified documents, and did not give you any alternative options?

Auringon_kukka
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Auringon_kukka » Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:35 am

Maaria wrote:
Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:53 pm
TUserFin wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:06 pm
Thanks everyone in this group, I got citezenship today on basis of enterpreneurship. I submitted my application on 4th of July 2023. It took 23 month and 1 week to get to the stage 2. As I knew from this forum that it will go into processing after 23 months for enterpreneurs, I requested all updated papers from my accountant since the begginig of the company a week ago and attached them. I also took a screenshot from Vero that I paid all taxes on time. As a result, processing stage lasted today 2 hours without additional requests.

All the best to others who are still waiting and feel stress as I felt. You will also get to this stage, and all the stress will be in the past for you soon!

Note

If the applicant’s income is based on business activities, the following documents must be enclosed in
the application:
• extract from the Register of Companies dated less than six months ago
• profit and loss account and balance sheet for the most recent financial period
• certificate from the accounting firm on wages paid or takings into private use
What to do for a toiminimi, when your supplement request is asking for accountant certified documents, and did not give you any alternative options?
If you don't have an accountant, inform migri of that fact when you provide the information. Sole traders are not obligated to use the services of an accountant. Migri, unfortunately, does not spell out the options in its correspondence, preferring instead to rely on the comfort of accountant-certified documents. When you provide the information, you are "certifying" it to be true.

Maaria
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Maaria » Thu Sep 04, 2025 4:27 pm

Auringon_kukka wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:35 am
Maaria wrote:
Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:53 pm
TUserFin wrote:
Wed Jun 11, 2025 2:06 pm
Thanks everyone in this group, I got citezenship today on basis of enterpreneurship. I submitted my application on 4th of July 2023. It took 23 month and 1 week to get to the stage 2. As I knew from this forum that it will go into processing after 23 months for enterpreneurs, I requested all updated papers from my accountant since the begginig of the company a week ago and attached them. I also took a screenshot from Vero that I paid all taxes on time. As a result, processing stage lasted today 2 hours without additional requests.

All the best to others who are still waiting and feel stress as I felt. You will also get to this stage, and all the stress will be in the past for you soon!

Note

If the applicant’s income is based on business activities, the following documents must be enclosed in
the application:
• extract from the Register of Companies dated less than six months ago
• profit and loss account and balance sheet for the most recent financial period
• certificate from the accounting firm on wages paid or takings into private use
What to do for a toiminimi, when your supplement request is asking for accountant certified documents, and did not give you any alternative options?
If you don't have an accountant, inform migri of that fact when you provide the information. Sole traders are not obligated to use the services of an accountant. Migri, unfortunately, does not spell out the options in its correspondence, preferring instead to rely on the comfort of accountant-certified documents. When you provide the information, you are "certifying" it to be true.
Thank you so much Auringon_kukka for your reply. May I ask you if you had a toiminimi and did you use an accountant?

Auringon_kukka
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Auringon_kukka » Fri Sep 05, 2025 8:25 am

Maaria wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 4:27 pm
Auringon_kukka wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:35 am
Maaria wrote:
Wed Sep 03, 2025 7:53 pm


What to do for a toiminimi, when your supplement request is asking for accountant certified documents, and did not give you any alternative options?
If you don't have an accountant, inform migri of that fact when you provide the information. Sole traders are not obligated to use the services of an accountant. Migri, unfortunately, does not spell out the options in its correspondence, preferring instead to rely on the comfort of accountant-certified documents. When you provide the information, you are "certifying" it to be true.
Thank you so much Auringon_kukka for your reply. May I ask you if you had a toiminimi and did you use an accountant?
Yes, I did/do have a toiminimi, and yes, I did/do have an accountant. However, you can do your accounting yourself and provide migri with the information they're looking for. For private withdrawals from your (business) account, you can supply bank statements. If you haven't kept copies of your statements or you can't access them anymore, you'll have to reach out to your bank and likely pay a fee for the copies.

Kissukat
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Kissukat » Fri Sep 05, 2025 10:58 am

ebrahimian wrote:
Fri Aug 29, 2025 12:43 pm
Kissukat wrote:
Tue Aug 26, 2025 8:32 pm
ebrahimian wrote:
Mon Aug 25, 2025 5:05 pm
Hi! Anyone from early 2023?
I visited migri Feb 2023 and I have been waiting for 2.5 years now.. So frustrating..
A friend of mine recently received his citizenship, he applied 27.02.2023. I guess yours will come out within the next two weeks hopefully.
Ughhh.. I applied 23.02.2023 :( I really hope it comes soon for me. Thank you for sharing.
Any update on your application? I saw on facebook that they are currently opening files that were submitted in 03/2023.

Maaria
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Maaria » Fri Sep 05, 2025 1:54 pm

Auringon_kukka wrote:
Fri Sep 05, 2025 8:25 am
Maaria wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 4:27 pm
Auringon_kukka wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 10:35 am


If you don't have an accountant, inform migri of that fact when you provide the information. Sole traders are not obligated to use the services of an accountant. Migri, unfortunately, does not spell out the options in its correspondence, preferring instead to rely on the comfort of accountant-certified documents. When you provide the information, you are "certifying" it to be true.
Thank you so much Auringon_kukka for your reply. May I ask you if you had a toiminimi and did you use an accountant?
Yes, I did/do have a toiminimi, and yes, I did/do have an accountant. However, you can do your accounting yourself and provide migri with the information they're looking for. For private withdrawals from your (business) account, you can supply bank statements. If you haven't kept copies of your statements or you can't access them anymore, you'll have to reach out to your bank and likely pay a fee for the copies.
Thank you Auringon_kukka for your very useful guidance. May I ask you one last question? How long you had to wait to get a decision, after you sent your response to the supplement request?

Auringon_kukka
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Auringon_kukka » Fri Sep 05, 2025 2:14 pm

Maaria wrote:
Fri Sep 05, 2025 1:54 pm
Auringon_kukka wrote:
Fri Sep 05, 2025 8:25 am
Maaria wrote:
Thu Sep 04, 2025 4:27 pm


Thank you so much Auringon_kukka for your reply. May I ask you if you had a toiminimi and did you use an accountant?
Yes, I did/do have a toiminimi, and yes, I did/do have an accountant. However, you can do your accounting yourself and provide migri with the information they're looking for. For private withdrawals from your (business) account, you can supply bank statements. If you haven't kept copies of your statements or you can't access them anymore, you'll have to reach out to your bank and likely pay a fee for the copies.
Thank you Auringon_kukka for your very useful guidance. May I ask you one last question? How long you had to wait to get a decision, after you sent your response to the supplement request?
I received two supplement requests: one for updated accounting documents, and one for clarifications. My application started processing at 23 months, and I had my decision about three weeks later.

Maaria
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Re: Citizenship application 2025

Post by Maaria » Sun Sep 07, 2025 9:50 am

Auringon_kukka wrote:
Fri Sep 05, 2025 2:14 pm
Maaria wrote:
Fri Sep 05, 2025 1:54 pm
Auringon_kukka wrote:
Fri Sep 05, 2025 8:25 am


Yes, I did/do have a toiminimi, and yes, I did/do have an accountant. However, you can do your accounting yourself and provide migri with the information they're looking for. For private withdrawals from your (business) account, you can supply bank statements. If you haven't kept copies of your statements or you can't access them anymore, you'll have to reach out to your bank and likely pay a fee for the copies.
Thank you Auringon_kukka for your very useful guidance. May I ask you one last question? How long you had to wait to get a decision, after you sent your response to the supplement request?
I received two supplement requests: one for updated accounting documents, and one for clarifications. My application started processing at 23 months, and I had my decision about three weeks later.
Thank you Auringon_kukka again for your reply. Is it ok to ask you what was the clarification about? In the last year's post you said that you received clarification request after sending reply to supplement request about your business. I am asking because it may help me see what documents might need clarification and I can already send it with my reply to supplement request. Thank you so much once again. :)


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