Zebra crossings

[harryc]

I meant the many Estonian drivers who are presently tearing up the roads in Finland.

[onkko]

Just saying that the way the Urban Cowboys are driving these days (together with our Estonian friends) there isn't much margin for error when one of these phone-speaking jerks starts across a 2 lane road from behind a nice fat and high van parked just next to the zebra.

Sure - the driver is in the wrong - but it doesn't help the dead or very badly injured pedestrian much.

So first it was someone parked somewhere front and "blinding" you and now its 2 lane going in same way?
It is strictly illegal to not stop when someone is stopped near zebra.

Are you trying to find "porsaanreikä" in law to kill pedestrian?

[harryc]

no - 2 way - different ways!

big vans, trucks, idiot-size SUVs etc - when on opposite side and rear at Zebra - effectively block a pedestrian ON the zebra until they are pretty far out into the street.

the way that a number of people are now driving in the cities - because of much lower police surveillance ('austerity') - they really don't have 'reasonable' time to brake.

so was just wondering if they might some day be thinking of adjusting how close the REAR of your car can be to a zebra.

certainly NOT in favor of killing pedestrians!

[Ligence]

This time of year, pedestrians ought to be even more careful than normally. A lot of people still have summer tires on (winter tires must by the start of November), so as the weather gets colder, braking distances may stretch significantly.

[Upphew]

This time of year, pedestrians ought to be even more careful than normally. A lot of people still have summer tires on (winter tires must by the start of November), so as the weather gets colder, braking distances may stretch significantly.

In fact the drivers ought to be even more careful than normally if they still have summer tires on. Same rules about stopping before pedestrian crossing and whatnot still applies. Last Sunday we were driving jolly 40km/h @ 100km/h speed limit. Adjust your speed, not expectations for other traffic. This time of year pedestrians should use reflectors so drivers can see them earlier and brake in time.

[onkko]

no - 2 way - different ways!

big vans, trucks, idiot-size SUVs etc - when on opposite side and rear at Zebra - effectively block a pedestrian ON the zebra until they are pretty far out into the street.

the way that a number of people are now driving in the cities - because of much lower police surveillance ('austerity') - they really don't have 'reasonable' time to brake.

so was just wondering if they might some day be thinking of adjusting how close the REAR of your car can be to a zebra.

certainly NOT in favor of killing pedestrians!

Make some fancy paint picture about what you mean.

[onkko]

This time of year, pedestrians ought to be even more careful than normally. A lot of people still have summer tires on (winter tires must by the start of November), so as the weather gets colder, braking distances may stretch significantly.

In fact the drivers ought to be even more careful than normally if they still have summer tires on. Same rules about stopping before pedestrian crossing and whatnot still applies. Last Sunday we were driving jolly 40km/h @ 100km/h speed limit. Adjust your speed, not expectations for other traffic. This time of year pedestrians should use reflectors so drivers can see them earlier and brake in time.

"Best" i had was jolly 10km/h speed @ 80 limit and atleast 100m to stop, yes i had to stop and no i couldnt touch brakes or i would have found myself from ditch. That was with bad winter tires (legal and studded). Totally frozen street + water on top so you couldnt even walk on it, skating would be possible. That street was better than most of skating rings i have seen.
I threw one drunkard out of card because he whined "why you are driving so slow, i could walk faster". He didnt walk faster tho . That was btw reason to stop and peeing break for other drunkards was bonus.
Horrible experience, driving without almost any control.

[Popeye]

This time of year, pedestrians ought to be even more careful than normally. A lot of people still have summer tires on (winter tires must by the start of November), so as the weather gets colder, braking distances may stretch significantly.

Regardless of what is wise to do, you are incorrect about 'winter tires MUST by the start of November'. According the law, you may use studded tires from November 1st and from December 1st you have to have winter tires. So if you want you can still drive with your summer tires in November. Winter tyres are compulsory until the end of February and may be used until 20 April.

link:http://www.lvm.fi/topical/820545/winter ... 1-november

[Ligence]

This time of year, pedestrians ought to be even more careful than normally. A lot of people still have summer tires on (winter tires must by the start of November), so as the weather gets colder, braking distances may stretch significantly.

Regardless of what is wise to do, you are incorrect about 'winter tires MUST by the start of November'. According the law, you may use studded tires from November 1st and from December 1st you have to have winter tires. So if you want you can still drive with your summer tires in November. Winter tyres are compulsory until the end of February and may be used until 20 April.

link:http://www.lvm.fi/topical/820545/winter ... 1-november

Oh, right. Well, still, it's best if people believe that they must use winter tires starting November