I just found interesting that you were expalining the use of "you." I find myself doing the same many times.Karhunkoski wrote:Yes, I guess it is back to the point that it depends what sort of eyes you view them with. If you (meaning "one" not you personally raamv) were raised in a pigsty it would appear quite normal.raamv wrote: Can the list mentioned above happen anywhere in the world..so what is so different here.!!
Sure, but not nearly on the same level. There is a very clear and noticeable difference in these "manners" every time I travel to Japan, or go back home to the states on a visit or have a holiday in southern Europe, or even when I go right next door to Sweden for that matter! Enough people have seen it on this thread, so there must be something to it. Not only that, but nearly every expat I've met has made this observation as well as my Finnish friends who've lived abroad for an extended period of time and then come back home to a nation of people with, "bad manners".raamv wrote:Can the list mentioned above happen anywhere in the world..so what is so different here.!!Karhunkoski wrote:agn71 wrote: Many people have mentioned bad manners as negative side.
Perhaps you could tell little bit more detailed what you mean by bad manners and to what you compare it.
- opening a swing door, walking through, then letting it slam into the face of the person behind.
- not saying "thank you" or acknowledging someone who holds a door open for you.
- not using car indicators when approaching a T-junction, then turning right anyway, meaning the other car waiting patiently at the T-junction "Give way" sign, was actually waiting for not reason.
- when there is a nose-to-tail queue of slow traffic, most drivers close up immediately and do not let others join from a side turning.
- males burping loudly at the lunch table (even when ladies are present).
- when someone buys two beers, one for each of you. When both glasses are empty, simply walking to the bar and just buying yourself a beer, returning to the table to sit and drink it, leaving the other person staring into their empty glass.
But, as said before, once you get used to these small annoyances, they can be put in the shadow by the long list of things that make it nice to live in Finland.
You cannot compare the culture that you witness newly to the one that you grew up and say that the one that you witness new is in a worse level!!ScubaGirl wrote: Sure, but not nearly on the same level. There is a very clear and noticeable difference in these "manners" every time I travel to Japan, or go back home to the states on a visit or have a holiday in southern Europe, or even when I go right next door to Sweden for that matter! Enough people have seen it on this thread, so there must be something to it. Not only that, but nearly every expat I've met has made this complaint as well as my Finnish friends who've lived abroad for an extended period of time and then come back home to a nation of people with, "bad manners".
hmm funny that you mention that "one thinks that Finns are not rude" and I wonder what a Finn thinks about a foreigner.."when one thinks that they are not rude".. This clearly shows the resistance to fit into a culture than to learn and adapt to it!! ( and I ve heard enough yada yada about preserving own's own cultural values etc so lets not go there)..but then this is Suomen maa...where Finns can act Finnish regardless of how rude foreigners perceiven them or their manners to be!!As I said before, over time I've come to realize that Finns in general are not rude. This is just how Finnish people were brought up. What may be considered rude to someone from country X is not considered rude behavior here. Those of us who were brought up with being taught, "good manners" can't help but notice this difference in their culture though.
raamv wrote:You cannot compare the culture that you witness newly to the one that you grew up and say that the one that you witness new is in a worse level!!
That is soo naturally biased!! a few rotten apples can easily be noticed when the total numer of apples are less!!
. I have every right in the world to say this. Who the hell are you anyway to decide what people should or shouldn't feel or how people should and shouldn't react to a given situation? Learn to read. I already said that I DO ACCEPT this behavior. This acceptance comes from the fact that I HAVE learned to fit into this culture and adapt to my surroundings. Doesn't mean I can't notice the differences in the many other cultures I have already witnessed to that of Finland.raamv wrote:hmm funny that you mention that "one thinks that Finns are not rude" and I wonder what a Finn thinks about a foreigner.."when one thinks that they are not rude".. This clearly shows the resistance to fit into a culture than to learn and adapt to it!! ( and I ve heard enough yada yada about preserving own's own cultural values etc so lets not go there)..but then this is Suomen maa...where Finns can act Finnish regardless of how rude foreigners perceiven them or their manners to be!!
meidän pitää säätää uusi laki, joka määrää, että jokaisen ulkomaalaisen miehen, joka muuttaa Suomeen, on tuotava naimaton siskonsa mukanaan ja työllistettävä vähintään 2 suomalaista vuoden sisällä muutosta.sammy wrote:...vie meidän työpaikat... ja naiset...mCowboy wrote:kukaan pakottanu tänne muuttamaan... tana...
