On bending verbs

Pecchio · Post by **Pecchio** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:52 pm

For all the learners out there:

http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/index.asp

This is a free service and is also mentioned in the Sticky messages.
It is not flawless I'm afraid because the conjugation is done by powerful robots who don't know what they are doing. You have no way of knowing where the errors lie, but on the whole, they are not significant and I understand the service gets better every now and then when the humans oil the robots.

Clive, with this service your troubles with Finnish verbs are over! Now you can use them correctly in a sentence and place your mistakes around them.

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Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 8:14 pm

Thankyouthankyouthankyou! This will definitely help me while I'm sussing all the grammar. Thanks!

EDIT:
http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/cache/20.can.html

"I will have could"

"Let's can"

Pecchio · Post by **Pecchio** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:29 pm

Have you started canning some Finnish yet?

Yeah, the site would can be funny sometimes. I hope that in the future the robots will have could their job better.

I'll can have no means of telling whether that last sentence was correctly wrong, or something else.

Hahaha! It might not be so good a service after all. There are bound to be similar oddities in Finnish, and in every language.

But perhaps it's best suited for those who want to speak in the European Union style.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:48 pm

Yeah, I've started on Finnish, and to be honest I don't care too much if I screw up alot in these early stages. The site's looking good so far, though. Let's hope those "powerful robots" don't develop A.I. and start taking over the world.

Pecchio · Post by **Pecchio** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:01 pm

Rest assured, they will never can. (robots...take...over...world...now...)

You have absolutely the right attitude towards language learning!
That's it: the mistakes are inevitable and instead of shying away from them (the very Finnish way I'm afraid) you should just ignore them, or deal with them later, or just make them part of your personal style (at Advanced Levels). The Clivean Finnish, I presume, is something we shall enjoy in a few years' time, if only you can be persistent.

I'm not ridiculing you, I'm just saying that it will be your style. As in 'Italiano al Pecchio'. My way of destroying the Berlusconian tongue.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:16 pm

Thanks!

haahatus · Post by **haahatus** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:28 pm

The quality varies alot between language or word. http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/cache/10.olla.html
no problems here. Only "flaw" are a few exotic conjugations that are never used by normal people

kalmisto · Post by **kalmisto** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:30 pm

The verb conjugator seems to be infallible when it comes to Finnish verbs.

If you give it the verb "tapahtua" ( to happen ) , it conjugates it "minä tapahdun"( I happen ), "sinä tapahdut" ( you happen ) and so on but all the conjugations of the verb are correct :

http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.asp? ... eField.y=9

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:38 pm

Probably because there aren't half as many irregularities in Finnish as there are in English.

kalmisto · Post by **kalmisto** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:41 pm

Pecchio

I invented a verb ( "ailota" ) and gave it to the verb conjugator :

http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.asp? ... Field.y=10

As you can see, the verb is correctly conjugated.

Notice the warning that I got ! : The verb you entered does not exist in Verbix database. The conjugations may not be accurate.

I have tested the Verbix verb conjugator many many times before. It has never made a single mistake when conjugating Finnish verbs.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:44 pm

And you all complaining of the complexity of Finnish - now you explain to a Finnish kid why knight in the night shall see the sea. Not to mention languages where dead objects have a gender and then perversely change sex.

Clive · Post by **Clive** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:48 pm

kalmisto wrote:Pecchio

I invented a verb ( "ailota" ) and gave it to the verb conjugator :

http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.asp? ... Field.y=10

As you can see, the verb is correctly conjugated.

Notice the warning that I got ! : The verb you entered does not exist in Verbix database. The conjugations may not be accurate.

I have tested the Verbix verb conjugator many many times before. It has never made a single mistake when conjugating Finnish verbs.

I tried that with nukkapinissonaikastanopikea and it seems that it has some irregularity to it

unless it's just something to do with the -ea ending.

Hank W. wrote:And you all complaining of the complexity of Finnish - now you explain to a Finnish kid why knight in the night shall see the sea. Not to mention languages where dead objects have a gender and then perversely change sex.

No language is too complex otherwise no-one would speak them.

kalmisto · Post by **kalmisto** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:49 pm

The verb "omia" is not common but it is not a problem to Verbix:

http://www.verbix.com/webverbix/go.asp? ... =Conjugate

What do you say, Pecchio ?

It seems to me that Finnish verbs are much easier for a machine to conjugate than English words.

Hank W. · Post by **Hank W.** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:52 pm

Clive wrote: No language is too complex otherwise no-one would speak them.

Yeah, and all 5-year olds in China speak chinese - but who will learn languages. I think the most complex ones are Native American languages, some spoken in Brazil and say Navaho.

Richard · Post by **Richard** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:03 pm

Clive wrote:No language is too complex otherwise no-one would speak them.

There is a huge difference in picking up your native language from birth, and learning a complex language as an adult!

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