agroot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:28 pm
Because there are people who abuse the trust based system.
The volume of newcomers who willingly try to dupe the system is minuscule compared to ...
left unsaid.
agroot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:28 pm
As a newcomer I'd do as much as I can to show them we're equally trustworthy.
So, immigrants are inherently untrustworthy by the definition of being an immigrant? Whatever happened to the presumption of "innocent until proven guilty"? Ah, not applicable to the immigrant!
agroot wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 9:28 pm
What they do to their own politicians is none of my business (yet).
Oh, it is mine, I pay taxes and lots of it and that's my money in there too!
One does not have to be a citizen to be concerned. If the politicians created a law that violated the very personhood of an immigrant non-citizen, would it be considered of interest?
Without referencing any specific nation or dictator from past or present, various atrocities or "unfairness" that have have happened or continue to happen have been very "legal" in their country at that point of time, and some under the guise of "being moral" too!
There is an objective principle of a law (and rules thereof) versus a the blind application of the law.
esimerkki wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:25 pm
Sorry dude, but I don't see much similarity between using transportation and having babies.
Sure. It was not about similarity, but the principle of presumption. As I said, newcomers and tourists are *far less likely* to abuse a system willingly.
The point being the merely being on the platform does not mean the OP was travelling... Merely having items in my pocket does not mean I have stolen ... Merely being in the maternity ward does not mean I am sick ... Being in the vicinity of a hospital does not mean I am sick... and so on.
At worst the assumptions go wild, instances best reflected currently.
E.g. in the US:
Black person + nice car? Must be stolen.
Hoodie + in store? Must be robbery!
Mexican + working = Must be an illegal immigrant
These changes in attitude don't happen overnight, they grow if unchecked.
esimerkki wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:25 pm
The OP just had a tough lesson to buy a ticket before entering public transportation in Finland.
Not really much to add in this case.
Hmmm!
Tough lesson? Yes.
Unfair? Yes.
Hypocritical? Especially as many locals cry foul when confronted on the same outside Finland.
esimerkki wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:25 pm
There is plenty of unfairness in Finland that needs attention more than these ticket cases.
And each one needs to be tackled, this is not a question of the fine, it is a question of presumption. And how little items grow worse over time. This is a classic example IF I compare with say 24 years ago.